What are fireable offenses for government employees?

[Anonymous]

Trying to find out online but I am not having much luck. Or how hard/easy it is to fire a federal employee?

[Anonymous]

Almost impossible. SEC employees caught looking at porn while at work didn't even get fired.

[Anonymous]

It is not hard to fire a federal employee if the Agency wants to do it. Managers just then to be wussies when it comes to giving accurate performance evaluations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Almost impossible. SEC employees caught looking at porn while at work didn't even get fired.

The guy who did that in our bureau got promoted!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not hard to fire a federal employee if the Agency wants to do it. Managers just then to be wussies when it comes to giving accurate performance evaluations.

CIA is excepted service so it is easier to fire there.

[Anonymous]

Financial and T&A fraud are the two biggies. What is your concern - do you want to fire someone or are you worried about being fired? Is the person still in a probationary period.

Usually, if it's for performance, the employee has to go through two supervisors to show that it's not just a personality conflict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not hard to fire a federal employee if the Agency wants to do it. Managers just then to be wussies when it comes to giving accurate performance evaluations.

This. And you have to document and do it properly or it gets reversed. Violence is usually a fireable offense. Bring a gun or knife to the work place and you will be out. I once saw a woman fired for telling her coworker she kept poison on her desk and would spray him with it (though it turned out to be water, it was the threat that counted.) Something like insubordination or poor performance usually requires repeat offenses (and maybe escalation).

If you are worried you will be fired, talk to your union rep if you have one. If you are a manager looking to fire someone, consult your HR; they usually have someone who specializes in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not hard to fire a federal employee if the Agency wants to do it. Managers just then to be wussies when it comes to giving accurate performance evaluations.

CIA is excepted service so it is easier to fire there. [/quote

Lots of agencies have excepted service employees. All lawyers, for example.

[Anonymous]

It is not hard to fire a federal employee if the Agency wants to do it. Managers just then to be wussies when it comes to giving accurate performance evaluations.

Almost impossible. Even after documenting, and more documenting, and more documenting.

[Anonymous]

Definitely not for being stupid and lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Almost impossible. SEC employees caught looking at porn while at work didn't even get fired.

Nonsense.

There is an entire table of offenses ranging from minor to major, reprimand to removal as penalties.

In serious cases is management does its job it is not that hard to fire a Fed.

My office of 350+ employees removed or had resignations pending proposed removal from about 25 employees over the course of about 3-4 years.

Looking at porn qualifies if the recommending and deciding official deem it so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Financial and T&A fraud are the two biggies. What is your concern - do you want to fire someone or are you worried about being fired? Is the person still in a probationary period.

Usually, if it's for performance, the employee has to go through two supervisors to show that it's not just a personality conflict.

You always have to have 2 supervisors concur, there's a recommending official and a deciding official. Not the same person.

[Anonymous]

20:33 here.

Go here:

http://oge.gov/uploadedFiles/Education/Education_Resources_for_Ethics_Officials/Resources/Assets_Non-Searchable/Breakout%2049%20Real%20Ethics%20Tips%20and%20Trends%20in%20Ethics%20Enforcement%20conduct%20and%20discipline%20excerpts.pdf

[Anonymous]

or here:

http://afge503local.com/docs/Forms/Title%2038%20-%20Table%20of%20Penalties.pdf

[Anonymous]

I've been at my agency for almost 10 years. In that time, I've never heard of anyone getting fired. Not the senile lady, not the major drug addict who did nothing but make incomprehensible statements to everyone at work, not the man who pretty much never showed up but submitted leave, not the alcoholics who sleep at their desks all day, not the people who supervisors have stated literally won't do work if asked, not the man found guilty of sexual harassment. I have known people to be transferred to another office, but I have never heard of anyone being fired.