Girl with 1370 SAT gets in to 5 Ivies

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Anonymous wrote:Her unweighted GPA is 4.0. She went test optional for most Ivies including Yale. She submitted test scores for Harvard and Brown and got waitlisted.

So for everyone saying she shouldn’t have admitted you are wrong. Top 2% of her class, 4.0, with excellent EC’s. She is outgoing. That’s what Yale saw on the application. Why is OP posting her SAT score? She deserves to be admitted.

We got the impression from our kid’s college counselor before they even tested that certain categories of students were more likely to be expected to submit scores than others. We gathered it was there for those with hooks, in other words.

Yep. Yale assumed she wasn’t up to snuff but wanted her to fill a quota. That isn’t an option for your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top schools don’t dip to the 90th percentile unless it is a URM or an applicant from a good family that can donate seven figures. It’s not good enough, at all.

Top schools selection criteria have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a student who scores above the 90th percentile can be considered to have done well on the test. It’s objectively a good score.

Yes, it does. If MIT and Yale thought a 1370 was a good enough score there’d be tons of whites and Asians with those scores walking around campus.

There are whites and Asians walking around with those scores.

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Anonymous wrote:So many entitled @$$holes in this thread. This kid is better than your kid - deal with it. Maybe you should have actually raised your kids to be interesting, well-rounded people with skills and hobbies and interests instead of making them spend every weekend at Kumon and coding camps so they can achieve “perfect” scores just like the thousands of other equally uninteresting and unimpressive kids.

Thank you. I agree.
South Asian mom here.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top 10% is good for average schools but not at all for top schools. Imbecile.

I think a lot of the girl’s defenders don’t have much exposure to recent Ivy grads and students. They don’t realize how far short her application would be if she were white without a donor parent or a coach signing off (which is unlikely, they have higher academic standards). It would get nowhere and she’d be at Penn State.

Nonsense. You don't know the details of her application.

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Anonymous wrote:Students' job is studying and preparing for exams, tests, finals, and SAT. Not being pretentious.

She couldn’t even get a score that’s put her in the top quartile at Baylor, FSU, Pepperdine, U Arizona, and other mediocre institutions. She’s a bad student.

I hope you know that Harvard treats a 33 and a 36 exactly the same in their scoring rubric.

If you don’t, I suggest you do some research. You are clearly an idiot and uninformed about this process.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top schools don’t dip to the 90th percentile unless it is a URM or an applicant from a good family that can donate seven figures. It’s not good enough, at all.

Top schools selection criteria have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a student who scores above the 90th percentile can be considered to have done well on the test. It’s objectively a good score.

Yes, it does. If MIT and Yale thought a 1370 was a good enough score there’d be tons of whites and Asians with those scores walking around campus.

There are whites and Asians walking around with those scores.

23% of a class worth (the percentage of Harvard’s class comprised of URMs who wouldn’t get in on an academic basis)?

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top schools don’t dip to the 90th percentile unless it is a URM or an applicant from a good family that can donate seven figures. It’s not good enough, at all.

Top schools selection criteria have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a student who scores above the 90th percentile can be considered to have done well on the test. It’s objectively a good score.

Yes, it does. If MIT and Yale thought a 1370 was a good enough score there’d be tons of whites and Asians with those scores walking around campus.

There are whites and Asians walking around with those scores.

Exactly.

And white men with lower scores for centuries.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top 10% is good for average schools but not at all for top schools. Imbecile.

I think a lot of the girl’s defenders don’t have much exposure to recent Ivy grads and students. They don’t realize how far short her application would be if she were white without a donor parent or a coach signing off (which is unlikely, they have higher academic standards). It would get nowhere and she’d be at Penn State.

Nonsense. You don't know the details of her application.

We do because she’s twerking on TikTok discussing the ins and outs of her application. She should thank her lucky stars she was born URM and not reveal how bad an applicant she was.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people obsess with 200 point variation at the upper end of a multiple choice test? Do not believe anyone who tells you this is the sole or primary determinant of academic brilliance or success. I am multiple decades from taking the test myself (only once) and a multiple IVY graduate. Over the decades this could not be further from the truth. The SAT does not make the person. As you mature in life and witness others you may come to the same conclusion.

The problem is it doesn't apply to Asians or Whites. That is the problem.

It does though. Plenty of us will tell you that our white or Asian kids are also getting in test optional; these schools never saw her test scores.

If in fact, are these even are her test scores?? Remember the article doesn’t ever mention test courses. Where did that number come from?

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The globe laughs at the shallow intelligence of the average American belly aching over a multiple choice middle school test as sole arbiter of who gets into HYP.

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Anonymous wrote:Students' job is studying and preparing for exams, tests, finals, and SAT. Not being pretentious.

She couldn’t even get a score that’s put her in the top quartile at Baylor, FSU, Pepperdine, U Arizona, and other mediocre institutions. She’s a bad student.

I hope you know that Harvard treats a 33 and a 36 exactly the same in their scoring rubric.

If you don’t, I suggest you do some research. You are clearly an idiot and uninformed about this process.

https://www.princetonreview.com/college-advice/act-to-sat-conversion

Please look at what SAT score a 33 is. Hint: it doesn’t start with a 13.

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Anonymous wrote:So the schools are not obeying the law and still the racial discrimination.

Cut the funding already.

No! She's impressive! The activities and accolades (and maybe teacher LOR) are why she got in.

My Asian DD applied test optional (With similar test scores tbh) and got into MANY T20 schools (and is going to one of them)!

Agree! And I also have an ORM test op kid at an Ivy too....
Not sure why the hate here?
I think people don't understand what holistic admissions is.

There are a lot of us on here!!
The idiots here focused on test scores and nothing else don’t get it.

The sad and simple truth is that their children are not compelling. They are not interesting. They are not interested. And it comes across in everything they convey in the common app. They will never have the results our children have had. It has nothing to do with test scores.

I know many interesting white or Asian kids with higher stats who had nowhere near that kind of success. People who overcame disabilities, took care of sick family, did advanced college level academic work on their own for fun, etc. I know one kid who did all 3, in fact, plus the higher stats. I don’t think you understand the extent to which race sways decisions, so you are struggling to understand the extent to which people want this in the past.

No.

You just don't want URMs, and blacks specifically, to get the same opportunities.
College admissions are subjective. Half the kids admitted are institutional priorities. Most are white. But no complaints on DCUM.

A post saying many very interesting white and Asian kids are rejected with higher stats from Ivies tells you the author doesn’t want Blacks to get “the same” opportunities? Really? Wow. “Same opportunities” means deciding on merit, not skin color. Otherwise, why stop at colleges? Why not use affirmative action for all hiring and elections? SCOTUS already ruled on this. The issue now is whether they need to weigh in again on things like essays being used to achieve the same effects as before. I actually hope they don’t, but people like you make it more likely they will.

What will Yale do without students without horrible test scores and inflated HS GPAs?!?

I do find it funny how many posters say the SAT is middle school level. Yet the applicant in question could not even do well on an exam testing simple material.

If you think that a 1370 isn’t “doing well” on the SAT, I hate to be the one to tell you that a 1370 would be well out of reach for you on your best day.

It's well for average schools but not at all for top schools in the US.

It’s better than 90% of everyone else taking the test, ya dolt.

Top schools don’t dip to the 90th percentile unless it is a URM or an applicant from a good family that can donate seven figures. It’s not good enough, at all.

Top schools selection criteria have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not a student who scores above the 90th percentile can be considered to have done well on the test. It’s objectively a good score.

Yes, it does. If MIT and Yale thought a 1370 was a good enough score there’d be tons of whites and Asians with those scores walking around campus.

There are whites and Asians walking around with those scores.

Exactly.

And white men with lower scores for centuries.

Yea, tons of metrics URMs outperform whites and Asians. They’re all reliable indicators of academic performance. Totally….

[Anonymous]

If this kid were not black, she would not have gotten into any of the Ivies. Her activities are run-of-the-mill for 5 Ivy League acceptances.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people obsess with 200 point variation at the upper end of a multiple choice test? Do not believe anyone who tells you this is the sole or primary determinant of academic brilliance or success. I am multiple decades from taking the test myself (only once) and a multiple IVY graduate. Over the decades this could not be further from the truth. The SAT does not make the person. As you mature in life and witness others you may come to the same conclusion.

The problem is it doesn't apply to Asians or Whites. That is the problem.

It does though. Plenty of us will tell you that our white or Asian kids are also getting in test optional; these schools never saw her test scores.

If in fact, are these even are her test scores?? Remember the article doesn’t ever mention test courses. Where did that number come from?

Her TikTok, where she brags about her admissions to a wide audience and divulges pathetic excuses for academic results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this kid were not black, she would not have gotten into any of the Ivies. Her activities are run-of-the-mill for 5 Ivy League acceptances.

Correct. Nothing special. Penn State caliber, but she thought she was too good for it.