Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

This is a straw man that you are generating.

Literally there are several posters here that have outright rejected the notion that MCPS should canvas low income neighborhoods.

Read the thread, it is filled with people justifying their positions by projecting their own opinions onto low income people. It is directly against their interests to have low income people's voices heard.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

Fantastic. I would love to hear how you think MCPS should reach low income people and whether you support them investing time and money into this.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

Fantastic. I would love to hear how you think MCPS should reach low income people and whether you support them investing time and money into this.

I am a chef not an outreach, community organizer expert so I wouldn’t want MCPS to spend on my ideas. I do support MCPS spending on expertise in this area and investing the time. Major changes are coming between the boundary and programs so communication and outreach is a worthwhile investment.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is again is that the loudest voices will be heard and not the voices of parents who don’t speak English and the families that are receiving FARMS. Where is their voice. I work with these families and they too want their kids in better schools and not have poverty concentrated. What you are proposing with option 4 does not address this. Option 3 does and many of them are okay with bussing to get their kid to a better school and are okay with option 3. There is no reason the povery should be concentrated one part of the county. I plan to present my arguments to the board and represent these families who have been excluded for too long.

How on Earth do you know whose voices are being heard? And why do you think that parents who don’t speak English or families receiving FARMS are a monolith who all want the same things you think they should want? MCPS bends over backwards to get feedback from as many families as possible in numerous languages. It’s like elections. Those who make a point to vote get to vote. Can’t force people to get involved or provide feedback, and all families are being given opportunities through numerous channels. It’s also possible some of these folks don’t have strong opinions and trust the school system to educate their kids in any school building.

Oh you mean online surveys that require internet access and competency and in person meetings that require transportation and time? It took me as a master's educated professional 30 minutes minimum to review the 4 options and generally understand their impacts on me and more broadly.

Saying "they probably just don't have strong opinions" is disgusting.

I didn’t say they probably don’t have strong opinions. I said it’s possible some don’t. There are also probably lots of non FARMS English speakers who also do not care enough to fill out the survey. Not everyone is obsessed with the outcome like you seem to be. Try to understand that other people may have bigger life issues before them and just want their kids to go to school in a safe place they trust. You think families with chronic absenteeism care deeply whether their kid goes to Whitman?

I think it’s disgusting that you assume these adults can’t possibly figure out how to function and are helpless and can’t determine their own priorities without your help from your super special masters degree.

Wow, triggered much?

They could do much more to reach out to communities that aren't technologically savvy and lack transportation. Many live in multifamily housing so canvassing those properties would be a lot faster than canvassing mansions in Potomac. Not a priority for MCPS though.

Agreed more outreach is needed so that people can share their own experiences and concerns with MCPS rather than having a savior imagine what they experience and need speak for them.

Do you think families want their kids bussed a long way to go to a school where their kids will not be welcomed or fit in?

No idea. That is why families should be asked to speak for themselves rather than having policy formed by what people think other people want.

I think they are being asked to speak for themselves. But it seems MCPS hasn't had much success getting good feedback from all areas of the county. I guess we'll see what this survey yields, but I wouldn't be surprised if the results were not equally representative of all areas.

Is that based on anything? Has MCPS said they aren’t getting feedback from certain areas?

If all they are doing is online surveys and evening meetings, they are unquestionably not getting much feedback from low income people and people of color. When the Planning Department sought feedback from downtown Silver Spring residents about the Silver Spring Downtown and Adjacent Communities Plan, 77% of respondents were White (https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/communities/downcounty/silver-spring/silver-spring-downtown-plan/silver-spring-downtown-and-adjacent-communities-plan-equitable-engagement/what-weve-heard/ ) . They need to go to where low income people are and engage with them directly. In this case I'd imagine they'd want to say hey, there are four options, this is how each would impact children in your community, what do you think?

They also need to break this down to several levels that actually mean something to POC and lower income people.

The Boundary Analysis is too abstract and theoretical. Also, given how far we are from any of these options being real, it's not clear what value you get from engaging with MCPS in giving them feedback on these maps.

It's actually really simple. You describe the specific impacts for the neighborhood where you are canvassing. "In Option 1, children in your neighborhood would be assigned to the same schools they are now, how do you feel about that? In Option 2, half of the kids in your neighborhood would go to middle school x and high school x, and the other half would go to middle school y and high school y" etc.

Right. But MCPS is not doing that.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

of course traffic is an issue on Randolph Rd., but it is not nearly as bad as traveling southeast from North Bethesda.

Decisions about capital projects are often made by elected officials listening to the loudest constituents. Projects get placed on the CIP and taken off based on politics. Elrich has made several questionable decisions regarding the CIP.

Who on earth is asking students and families to go on the ICC? That makes zero sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

Fantastic. I would love to hear how you think MCPS should reach low income people and whether you support them investing time and money into this.

DP. I would love to hear how much time, effort and money you think MCPS should invest in trying to reach families who are not responsive. I am personally supportive of some reasonable level of effort, but I think some very progressive saviors would allocate unlimited time and resources with no acknowledgement that time, manpower and funding is, in fact, finite, and that this time, manpower and funding could also be directed to other important needs.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

of course traffic is an issue on Randolph Rd., but it is not nearly as bad as traveling southeast from North Bethesda.

Decisions about capital projects are often made by elected officials listening to the loudest constituents. Projects get placed on the CIP and taken off based on politics. Elrich has made several questionable decisions regarding the CIP.

Who on earth is asking students and families to go on the ICC? That makes zero sense.

If my kid was bussed to Kennedy and I had to get there on time for a meeting, concert, game or just to pick up after practice. I likely would take the ICC and double back rather than take Randolph with the stop and go traffic etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

Fantastic. I would love to hear how you think MCPS should reach low income people and whether you support them investing time and money into this.

DP. I would love to hear how much time, effort and money you think MCPS should invest in trying to reach families who are not responsive. I am personally supportive of some reasonable level of effort, but I think some very progressive saviors would allocate unlimited time and resources with no acknowledgement that time, manpower and funding is, in fact, finite, and that this time, manpower and funding could also be directed to other important needs.

Sounds like you blame low income families for not being responsive and don't believe in investing resources to reach them. I disagree with both of those opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

of course traffic is an issue on Randolph Rd., but it is not nearly as bad as traveling southeast from North Bethesda.

Decisions about capital projects are often made by elected officials listening to the loudest constituents. Projects get placed on the CIP and taken off based on politics. Elrich has made several questionable decisions regarding the CIP.

Who on earth is asking students and families to go on the ICC? That makes zero sense.

If my kid was bussed to Kennedy and I had to get there on time for a meeting, concert, game or just to pick up after practice. I likely would take the ICC and double back rather than take Randolph with the stop and go traffic etc.

Nobody would be making you take the ICC.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is really opposed to getting feedback from low income people.

Of course they are. They will find any reason to oppose any method that will actually reach them. They will insist it won't work. They want to be able to get their own voices heard and drown out everybody else's. The best is when they act like they know what boundaries will be best for low income people.

Nope. Not all of us. I am umc, live in west county and want to hear from low income people on how the options will impact them and their kids directly. MCPS should use community organizing tools to get this feedback.

What I am opposed to is people who are not low income imagining what low income people want and speaking for them, usually on social media where they can get praised for being a champion.

I am in west county and opposed to long bus rides for my kid. Full stop. Hate long bus rides. Agree that property values are not a factor in all this.

I am however open to different ideas, including somewhat longer busrides IF people who are low income really want something like option 3 and think kids who have been hurt by the status quo
will benefit from a change.

I am not open to something like option 3 if low income people also don’t want it and the only ones in favor of it are other umc white people who want ease their guilt and feel morally superior.

Fantastic. I would love to hear how you think MCPS should reach low income people and whether you support them investing time and money into this.

DP. I would love to hear how much time, effort and money you think MCPS should invest in trying to reach families who are not responsive. I am personally supportive of some reasonable level of effort, but I think some very progressive saviors would allocate unlimited time and resources with no acknowledgement that time, manpower and funding is, in fact, finite, and that this time, manpower and funding could also be directed to other important needs.

Sounds like you blame low income families for not being responsive and don't believe in investing resources to reach them. I disagree with both of those opinions.

Adding that it doesn't sound like you think feedback from low income communities has value and is worth investing in.

Fyi I can't estimate the cost of a canvassing operation, but political candidates literally do it all the time. I don't think this is an unreasonable ask.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

of course traffic is an issue on Randolph Rd., but it is not nearly as bad as traveling southeast from North Bethesda.

Decisions about capital projects are often made by elected officials listening to the loudest constituents. Projects get placed on the CIP and taken off based on politics. Elrich has made several questionable decisions regarding the CIP.

Who on earth is asking students and families to go on the ICC? That makes zero sense.

If my kid was bussed to Kennedy and I had to get there on time for a meeting, concert, game or just to pick up after practice. I likely would take the ICC and double back rather than take Randolph with the stop and go traffic etc.

Nobody would be making you take the ICC.

The other alternative is the beltway to Colesville Road. Also absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:With KSAC closed, we drove from the Tilden area to the aquatic center in DTSS for swim all year. It is a 45 minute drive every time. It was miserable and we won't be signing up to do it again in the Fall.

Traffic in MoCo is miserable - whether west to east or vice versa. I don't know why people are arguing that this is not the case. And obviously a bus ride is much longer because of the stops.

Are you trying to argue traveling from one part of the county to another will always take 45 minutes? Obviously that's absurd but I can't think of any other way your little anecdote is relevant to this thread. If anything it highlights a commute that Option 3 isn't proposing (with good reason, that particular route is a disaster).

No, with traffic it can be longer even in the back roads.

You are absolutely right, that area is terrible, I agree with you. I get stuck in traffic in that area weekly. I am so glad Option 3 doesn't involve having to go from Tilden to DTSS.

Randolph Road is equally bad. Major tie ups at intersections as well as the train crossing. Total nightmare to get from this side of the county to the other.

Some of you may recall that Montrose Parkway (now Josiah Henson Parkway) was supposed to be built on the East side of Rockville Pike to alleviate that traffic. It was not built, of course, when they ran out of money.

But I bet there are a ton of studies about how bad and dangerous that traffic is on Randolph East of Rockville Pike. And that was years ago.

It is really not. I take Randolph Rd all the time in rush hour. Yes there is a stretch around the train tracks where you might get stuck behind traffic lights or a MARC train for a few minutes (rarely have I seen freight trains there at rush hour). It is not remotely like going from Tilden to DTSS.

Btw they did not "run out of money" for Montrose crossing, Elrich simply decided not to do it.

There is no denying that the county, prior to any of this talk of bussing kids across county, was planning to spend millions on alleviating the horrible traffic on Randolph Road. I don’t fully understand why they didn’t continue Montrose Parkway East but there was a determined need, that they also spent a bunch of money studying.

You cannot seriously in good conscience say that traffic is not an issue on Randolph. It is a dangerous road, with a lot of traffic, with pedestrian crossings etc. The county should have fixed it at the time but they did not.

To ask our kids to commute to school, back and forth on that road, is absurd and doesn’t take into account safety or the increase in traffic on an already overused road, in addition to the 45 minute trip (an hour and a half both ways).

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask students and their families to pay to drive to school on the ICC.

of course traffic is an issue on Randolph Rd., but it is not nearly as bad as traveling southeast from North Bethesda.

Decisions about capital projects are often made by elected officials listening to the loudest constituents. Projects get placed on the CIP and taken off based on politics. Elrich has made several questionable decisions regarding the CIP.

Who on earth is asking students and families to go on the ICC? That makes zero sense.

If my kid was bussed to Kennedy and I had to get there on time for a meeting, concert, game or just to pick up after practice. I likely would take the ICC and double back rather than take Randolph with the stop and go traffic etc.

Nobody would be making you take the ICC.

The other alternative is the beltway to Colesville Road. Also absurd.

*when we can walk or ride bikes to Woodward.

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I really don’t like how they have singled out particular neighborhoods in the islands for the bussing and long distance drives rather than walking. It could by anyone. Why our neighborhood?