Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FFS People!!! No one knows exactly what happened!! Please, for the love of whatever deity you worship, please stop stating your speculations as facts! We don’t know for certain thst he cheated (do we??). Perhaps Jen has “hinted”, but I don’t recall that he did. But, I have seen numerous posts where it is a fire gone conclusion that’s he did. Same with the addiction and financial malfeasance. We don’t know to what extend or the severity of any of this. I no fan of Brandi; he’s a biker wanna be, 50 yr old going though a midlife crisis, likes to play dress up biker, and pretends he’s some VP. But let’s get the facts straight and, while I love reading the theories of what went down, it is still mostly speculation.

As far as I am concerned, Jen did confirm infidelity on a podcast. I do think the financial misdeeds are still speculation but she has confirmed, at the very least, that Brandon was in charge of the finances and not good at managing/investing. She has said multiple times she was checked out of the finances and it was a mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS People!!! No one knows exactly what happened!! Please, for the love of whatever deity you worship, please stop stating your speculations as facts! We don’t know for certain thst he cheated (do we??). Perhaps Jen has “hinted”, but I don’t recall that he did. But, I have seen numerous posts where it is a fire gone conclusion that’s he did. Same with the addiction and financial malfeasance. We don’t know to what extend or the severity of any of this. I no fan of Brandi; he’s a biker wanna be, 50 yr old going though a midlife crisis, likes to play dress up biker, and pretends he’s some VP. But let’s get the facts straight and, while I love reading the theories of what went down, it is still mostly speculation.

lol, this is a snark forum... it's FOR speculating.

I love the snark and speculation— But, there are some things that people are saying that is being claimed as fact when it is still, in fact, pure speculation.

Let’s snark the crap out of this deal, but we still don’t know all the facts, although we know something is amiss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS People!!! No one knows exactly what happened!! Please, for the love of whatever deity you worship, please stop stating your speculations as facts! We don’t know for certain thst he cheated (do we??). Perhaps Jen has “hinted”, but I don’t recall that he did. But, I have seen numerous posts where it is a fire gone conclusion that’s he did. Same with the addiction and financial malfeasance. We don’t know to what extend or the severity of any of this. I no fan of Brandi; he’s a biker wanna be, 50 yr old going though a midlife crisis, likes to play dress up biker, and pretends he’s some VP. But let’s get the facts straight and, while I love reading the theories of what went down, it is still mostly speculation.

As far as I am concerned, Jen did confirm infidelity on a podcast. I do think the financial misdeeds are still speculation but she has confirmed, at the very least, that Brandon was in charge of the finances and not good at managing/investing. She has said multiple times she was checked out of the finances and it was a mistake.

I must have missed the confirming of the infidelity. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he did step out. As for the misdeeds financially, I have no doubt that Brandi was not smart with the $. They both come from fairly modest backgrounds I believe. They start getting all this money from her book deals etc. I’m sure he thought he was “smart” enough to run things, but the fact is there are a lot of tax implications and other considerations with large earnings. And, I wouldn’t doubt for a moment that he possibly was hiding some of his own frivolous spending somehow. I’ll speculate, as others have; he could have spent a lot of $ on gambling addiction. Likewise, if he does or did have a substance abuse problem, there could have easily been 10’s of 1000’s spent on self medicating pills etc. Lets not forget that they went on huge trips to Europe and Cuba, among other places. So maybe bills or taxes weren’t paid correctly and that caught up to him. I speculate it was something pretty bad. However, we don’t know for sure. Stating these speculations as fact was my only point. On the flip side—- Jen is such a melodramatic walking hyperbole, has anyone considered that perhaps this whole thing is quite possibly her just going over the top and leaving and blowing the marriage up because that’s just her nature? She seems like a throw up my hands kinda gal and basically say F it, I’m done. I see her as the type of person who really doesn’t want to put in the hard work to save her marriage, quite frankly. Maybe Brandon F’d up, and I’m betting that he did. But Jen as sure as hell isn’t going to stick it out when it gets tough. In her mind, she’s done all this super hard stuff and built this mother F’r, and he is the one who screwed up, so she’s out. I have one experience with her from many years ago, when Remy ( I’m pretty sure it was Remy) and it was in a public place. Not going to get too specific here…. But Jen was down right f’n cold to her. I saw it, it was just me an Jen kinda off to the side. Jen was cold and there was no motherly love going on in a situation that sure could have used a little empathy in my opinion. Nope- not Jen. She came across as though Remy was a chore and she (Jen) had much better things she wanted to be doing. I smiled and kinda nodded, but in my head, I was thinking how harsh and unloving she seemed towards Remy, who had only been with them maybe a year or so. So, the glimpses into how she’s been in some of her posts — like I’m done, blah blah blah,…. I saw that stuff first hand and it was much harsher and meaner IMO.

Bottom line? Who the F knows? Anything is possible with this dumpster fire.

[Anonymous]

Jen keeps going on Glennon’s podcast and they all talk about “betrayal” and “trusting your body” and if they aren’t discussing infidelity they sure want people to think they are. She keeps putting herself out there so she must be cool with everyone discussing and speculating about her.

[Anonymous]

It’s hurts my brain — I just listened to her new episode with Glennon and Jen says a lot of interesting, insightful, self-reflective things that don’t fit AT ALL with her constantly selling crap and her plastic surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hurts my brain — I just listened to her new episode with Glennon and Jen says a lot of interesting, insightful, self-reflective things that don’t fit AT ALL with her constantly selling crap and her plastic surgery.

I don’t understand why G keeps having her on. It doesn’t seem to fit with G’s brand of authenticity to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hurts my brain — I just listened to her new episode with Glennon and Jen says a lot of interesting, insightful, self-reflective things that don’t fit AT ALL with her constantly selling crap and her plastic surgery.

I found it interesting she said something about needing to take things in her life and make them look amazing and shiny even if they aren't. I think she does this with her girl squad. I have no doubt she has friends and there are some really good qualities these ladies have. I just think it's pathological how she needs to make her friendship group look like the best ever.

I have a good marriage and my husband is my best friend. I don't post photos of us. I don't post gushy FB testimonials and I don't brag about it. I have no need to impress everyone. I don't need anyone's envy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hurts my brain — I just listened to her new episode with Glennon and Jen says a lot of interesting, insightful, self-reflective things that don’t fit AT ALL with her constantly selling crap and her plastic surgery.

I found it interesting she said something about needing to take things in her life and make them look amazing and shiny even if they aren't. I think she does this with her girl squad. I have no doubt she has friends and there are some really good qualities these ladies have. I just think it's pathological how she needs to make her friendship group look like the best ever.

I have a good marriage and my husband is my best friend. I don't post photos of us. I don't post gushy FB testimonials and I don't brag about it. I have no need to impress everyone. I don't need anyone's envy.

Posting again to say, I do think she does a good job showing self-awareness and being self-deprecating. She shows the charm that won people over. She even admits to being dramatic.

[Anonymous]

I was close to the epicenter of evangelical world and ministry culture. In general, these are cruel people in real life. But they know how to present themselves online and in public settings and know how to say the right things and how to present ideas and make it seem genuine.

A pp mentioned a local celebrity pastor and family that wasn’t what they portrayed. I totally believe that. That behavior is so common.

So Jen comes from and was developed in that world. I know narcissism talk is all the rage but I don’t think people don’t quite grasp yet (myself included) that charm and knowing what to say and seeming endearing at times is part of how they got to where they are and that it’s part of the act.

Normal people don’t try to become well known teachers or influencers. There are too many gross and dishonest things you have to do to even become that. The corruption starts way at the beginning IMO.

It’s just now that the evangelical modest but straight shooter persona is behind her the modest mask has slipped quite a bit. But she still knows how to turn it on sometimes.


I’ll grant that people are complicated and can be a mix of bad and good but the dark stuff I saw in ministry worlds where Jen was Queen Bee just really makes it difficult for me to give much leniency to the people at the top.

[Anonymous]

Well Jen’s podcast on Glennon’s show was encouraging to hear. Maybe she will find her way to a more honest version of herself. But the whole time I’m trying to reconcile her pithy words of wisdom with her choices to shill constantly, invest in spendy plastic surgery and date a sexually ambiguous never-married long distance boyfriend. I appreciated her recognizing she needed to move past her victimhood in the marital betrayal and look deeper at what she needed to change in her to be a better person and better in her relationships. Good stuff.

[Anonymous]

Oh please, she’s running the con again and women everywhere are still falling for it. She’ll tell you what you think you need or want to hear and then she sucks you in. She’s a con woman.

[Anonymous]

My least favorite is when she paints herself as a 1950’s housewife caricature. “A license plate?! Where do I get that?! How am I supposed to know this when I’m JUST A WOMAN?”. Ewwwwwww……

[Anonymous]

Wouldn’t a huge chunk of self awareness and growth fall under not going on multiple podcasts to publicly opine about a private marriage and family betrayal that barely happened two years ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please, she’s running the con again and women everywhere are still falling for it. She’ll tell you what you think you need or want to hear and then she sucks you in. She’s a con woman.

YUP. Don't fall for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please, she’s running the con again and women everywhere are still falling for it. She’ll tell you what you think you need or want to hear and then she sucks you in. She’s a con woman.

Exactly. I had a former friend who is a therapist. She would do or say something awful - II would confront her and she would say all the right words with therapy lingo with the right tone of voice and concern, feigned humility.. Two days later she would do the same harmful thing. Repeat cycle over and over until I woke up. Actions need to match words.