Families that never volunteer - swim team

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Anonymous wrote:Time to start hiring people volunteering is not possible with us millennials working triple jobs

You aren't working triple jobs and be real, if they hired people do you realize what they'd have to charge for team and most families aren't willing to pay that. Part of team is everyone pitching in.

Parenting counts as a job, am I right SAHMs?!?

Sure and one that you can hire someone to do for a few hours so you can volunteer!

If every family is hiring a babysitter for a few hours just do they can volunteer, then it would definitely be cheaper to hire out swim team staff. If I have to pay $100 a night for a sitter, it would be way easier to pay that to a timer or a clerk or whatever else they need.

This is not happening. Find a way to make it work or tell your kid no swim team. It’s that simple. There is no option C: we can’t make volunteering work for our family but will still do swim team.

I’ve been a rep. There are plenty of off deck jobs you can do, none of which require childcare. On our team that might look like: serving donuts or pancakes in the clubhouse, picking up donuts, donating food, making pancakes, etc. Alternatively, you can hire a sitter and do an on deck job or hire a teen to do the on deck job for you. It’s entitled and selfish to engage in an activity that has rules for all, but you nevertheless engage in the activity knowing you won’t follow them. Those rules are there because it makes summer swim team fun for all and competitive for some.

Well put. There is no Option C. Do the work or skip swim team.

If your kid goes to practice and swims the occasional B meet, I don't think it's a big deal if you time once a season or bring something for the concession stand to sell once. In the scheme of things, it's fine. If your kid is swimming every A meet and you can't be bothered to volunteer you're a leach.

And this is why people see you as entitled. YOU don’t think it’s a big deal to time at one meet even if your kid goes to more than one meet or bring something once. Everyone needs to meet the obligations of being in the team. It’s very, very easy: don’t want to volunteer, don’t do swim team or don’t do any meets. But it isn’t up to any of us to just think: eh, in my opinion what I did is sufficient.

PP here, I'm currently our team's starter and have worked every almost job our has other than team rep and announcer. With 200 swimmers, we really don't need everyone being forced to volunteer because there are enough people who are happy to do it. We tell parents one shift per swimmer per summer, but no one checks or cares

I think this is a good example of how pools are different. We're a much smaller team, so we need parents to do more. On the other hand, we're also a member owned pool with lower fees than many, so if a family can't volunteer, but donates, that's appreciated.

The point is - whatever the team’s volunteer requirements are, must be met. If they can’t be - then don’t join the team or don’t do meets

Imagine caring this much about swim team? Get a hobby lady.

Take your own advice, lady. Posting these cranky teenager responses to every post telling you not to be a leech isn’t a hobby. Go touch grass.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

If a 4 year old can swim a lap yes they should. That’s what the b meet is for.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

If a 4 year old can swim a lap yes they should. That’s what the b meet is for.

Our pool restricts it to 6 year olds for 8 and under and IM is still usually finishing around 11. B meets are a long slog

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

If a 4 year old can swim a lap yes they should. That’s what the b meet is for.

Sure if they can swim the length of a lap fine. Some teams have kids in B meets that clearly should not be swimming- Sleepy Hollow. They have coaches in the lanes with them and kick boards. Not a chance in hell am I volunteering for that meet. We show up an hour late and they’re still doing freestyle.

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Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

Where does this idea that all moms on the 90’s were at home. By the end of the 90’s, the rate of workforce participation was the highest it’s even been, several percentage points higher than now.

As someone who has been a swim parent since 2007 and a teacher since 2001, this hasn’t been an area of change.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

Who do you expect to do it if no one has time?

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

If a 4 year old can swim a lap yes they should. That’s what the b meet is for.

Sure if they can swim the length of a lap fine. Some teams have kids in B meets that clearly should not be swimming- Sleepy Hollow. They have coaches in the lanes with them and kick boards. Not a chance in hell am I volunteering for that meet. We show up an hour late and they’re still doing freestyle.

If your pool requires parents of meet-participants to volunteer, you suck if you don’t do so. Period. You’re no better than every other parent who sucked it up and volunteered at a long meet. Don’t like it, don’t participate at the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:So that we are clear: some of you believe A meet (only) parents should volunteer more than required because their kids are in A meets and B meet parents should volunteer less? My kids don’t do a single B meet. If the A meet swimmer does no B meets, then the kids are all in the same number of meets. Regardless, at most pools the rule is: your kid is in the meet, you volunteer. That’s pretty fair, isn’t it? Kids who swim both A and B meets will cause more volunteer requirements.

It’s baffling why anyone is okay being so narcissistic that they disregard rules as being inapplicable to them because they (alone) can determine what is okay or not.

- former team rep

Our team is small so kids can do both an and b meets.

Huh? Size has nothing to do with it. It’s desire (do the kids want to do the meets). A meet swimmers can do the B meet if they want; many elect not to.

It depends on the team. Some only allow one meet.

And the ones that do that are usually the bigger teams, because they know if they let everyone swim B meet they won't finish at a halfway decent time.

Even with this rule half the time we still don’t finish at a decent time. I don’t think teams should allow 4 year olds to swim in B meets. Way too many heats of 8U free and back.

If a 4 year old can swim a lap yes they should. That’s what the b meet is for.

Our pool restricts it to 6 year olds for 8 and under and IM is still usually finishing around 11. B meets are a long slog

That seems too severe. Even OKM, the soon to be Div 1 tribute, had a 5 year old swim against us last year when they were Div 3 and he did really well.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

Who do you expect to do it if no one has time?

She assumes that anyone who doesn’t whine about it doesn’t have the hard life she does so it’s ok for them to do the work.

It doesn’t occur to her that maybe we just aren’t whiny.

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Anonymous wrote:Swim team was gross and such a waste of time. Just let people enjoy the neighborhood pool instead of giving in to this insanity. Everyone knows that if you truly want your kid to be a competitive swimmer, you need to be going at the crack of dawn and practicing at an indoor olympic pool year-round.

The competitive kids are doing both. Summer swim team is about fun.

I grew up just going to the neighborhood pool with no swim team. We had tons of fun. My kids did swim team and they grew to hate it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don't have time, happy to pay. This isn't the 90s where stay at home moms have time to do things and dads work, we are 2-4 income household and trying to make it work with these crushing costs of living. This is another boomer Genx out of touch thing that will need to change.

I am going to say that anyone who can’t count high enough to know how many jobs they have shouldn’t be timing or making change at the snack bar.