New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

What's going on with the traffic is a lot more than a 7 minute difference in travel time. Traffic is backing up on the onramp from 270 and causing backups all the way to the beltway. Is this acceptable? Of course not. This is just one issue of many.

Road deaths are acceptable, though?

Actually, deaths will happen regardless. We can't cause major congestion just to avoid a few deaths of people making poor choices (like riding a bike on a major artery).

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

What's going on with the traffic is a lot more than a 7 minute difference in travel time. Traffic is backing up on the onramp from 270 and causing backups all the way to the beltway. Is this acceptable? Of course not. This is just one issue of many.

Road deaths are acceptable, though?

They seem to be perfectly acceptable whenever a developer wants to build car-oriented housing less than a quarter mile from transit so I’m not sure we should use a different standard here.

Please give an example of this, because I have no idea what you're talking about or how it's relevant.

[Anonymous]

I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

What's going on with the traffic is a lot more than a 7 minute difference in travel time. Traffic is backing up on the onramp from 270 and causing backups all the way to the beltway. Is this acceptable? Of course not. This is just one issue of many.

Road deaths are acceptable, though?

Actually, deaths will happen regardless. We can't cause major congestion just to avoid a few deaths of people making poor choices (like riding a bike on a major artery).

I wonder whether you would say, in person, to the families of the people who were killed on Old Georgetown Road, that your driving time is more important than their loved ones' lives. I'm afraid that you would.

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It's amazing to me how people use "death" as an excuse to push their agenda. If that is the case, then perhaps there need to be laws against people attempting to ride on major roads. There are plenty of alternatives for cyclists to avoid those extremely heavily traveled roads.

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

What's going on with the traffic is a lot more than a 7 minute difference in travel time. Traffic is backing up on the onramp from 270 and causing backups all the way to the beltway. Is this acceptable? Of course not. This is just one issue of many.

Road deaths are acceptable, though?

Actually, deaths will happen regardless. We can't cause major congestion just to avoid a few deaths of people making poor choices (like riding a bike on a major artery).

I wonder whether you would say, in person, to the families of the people who were killed on Old Georgetown Road, that your driving time is more important than their loved ones' lives. I'm afraid that you would.

I don't typically drive that road during busy times. I am just a practical person. Those cyclists should avoid that road. I would never allow my offspring to ride on that road...even with the bike lane.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

There are definitely improvements that could be made to reduce confusion, and I hope they will be made. The project isn't complete yet, though. People will also become less confused as they become used to it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

There are definitely improvements that could be made to reduce confusion, and I hope they will be made. The project isn't complete yet, though. People will also become less confused as they become used to it.

What's the solution though? Do we turn it into one turning lane? That would cause more gridlock. Regardless of how this is addressed, there will still be major gridlock. This is a major artery to access major interstates. Why would they ever encourage bike traffic on such a road is beyond me.

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

Stop being such a disingenuous liar. The pedestrian was hit by a Ride On bus at Battery Lane because the buses have poor visibility. You either don’t know where the bike lanes are and don’t care or you don’t know and just like to constantly lie about it.

What the heck, PP. Who are you and why do you keep insisting that everyone is lying?
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

^^^"Dona Cicy H. Amarasekara, 74, had left her job as a nanny Thursday night and was walking across northbound Old Georgetown Road at Kingswood Road when a Jeep Cherokee hit her."

Dona City H Amarasekara left her job and illegally entered the roadway at Kingswood Road. She was then hit by the driver of a Jeep. I’m not sure why bike lanes would have prevented this fatality. A controlled intersection at Kingswood would have been a better response.

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

What's going on with the traffic is a lot more than a 7 minute difference in travel time. Traffic is backing up on the onramp from 270 and causing backups all the way to the beltway. Is this acceptable? Of course not. This is just one issue of many.

Road deaths are acceptable, though?

Actually, deaths will happen regardless. We can't cause major congestion just to avoid a few deaths of people making poor choices (like riding a bike on a major artery).

I wonder whether you would say, in person, to the families of the people who were killed on Old Georgetown Road, that your driving time is more important than their loved ones' lives. I'm afraid that you would.

I don't typically drive that road during busy times. I am just a practical person. Those cyclists should avoid that road. I would never allow my offspring to ride on that road...even with the bike lane.

OK, but notwithstanding your opinion about what people should do, people walk and ride on OGR for the same reasons that you drive on it. So now what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, will all of the Lance Armstrong wannabes use the bike lanes? I have a feeling they would still prefer to be in traffic.

The bike lanes are not for the "Lance Armstrong wannabes," they're for people who just want to get where they're going, on a bike or on foot, without risking their lives.

Unfortunately in this particular case it seems that the solution might be even less safe for everyone involved because of its poor implementation.

Less safe than 2 dead teenage bicyclists, 1 dead pedestrian going to a bus stop, and multiple critically injured bicyclists in 3 years? "I almost got into a fender bender the other day!"? "It took me 15 minutes instead of 8!"? Those are inconvenience problems, not safety problems.

Stop being such a disingenuous liar. The pedestrian was hit by a Ride On bus at Battery Lane because the buses have poor visibility. You either don’t know where the bike lanes are and don’t care or you don’t know and just like to constantly lie about it.

What the heck, PP. Who are you and why do you keep insisting that everyone is lying?
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

^^^"Dona Cicy H. Amarasekara, 74, had left her job as a nanny Thursday night and was walking across northbound Old Georgetown Road at Kingswood Road when a Jeep Cherokee hit her."

Dona City H Amarasekara left her job and illegally entered the roadway at Kingswood Road. She was then hit by the driver of a Jeep. I’m not sure why bike lanes would have prevented this fatality. A controlled intersection at Kingswood would have been a better response.

You don't think it's safer for people to cross four lanes of traffic than six?

Yes, there should also be a signal at the intersection at Kingswood. Why isn't there one? Why didn't the state put it in after her death?

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Anonymous wrote:That poster who keeps insisting no one would use OGR to get from Wyngate to WJ is so weird. I live in the Wyngate neighborhood right off OGR and we definitely use OGR most times. Fernwood is pretty far from us. I don’t think this really has much bearing on the bike lane question—my kids won’t take their bikes to HS because it’s easier to just take the J2 which runs every 8-10 minutes and goes right to WJ. But that person who keeps insisting that anyone who lives in the neighborhood knows you only take fernwood is so weird! I’m really curious which of my neighbors it is!
The bikes lanes are convenient for my kids going to the library or chipotle though. I’m not sure of the wisdom of bringing them up north of democracy and past the I-270 spur. That’s a less residential area and the interface with the highway is not great. I guess it’s for the pike and rose residents?

Your kids take the J2 instead of the school bus like everyone else? Clearly you live in DC. In Montgomery County we have school buses. The constant posters lying is getting really obnoxious.

I really do live in Wyngate! We were there for the Ms leister years and the mr Wiebe years, if that proves it to you. I can even name a bunch of the old teachers if that proves it to you. Yes, kids take the school bus assuming they don’t miss it . But the J2 is a better alternative than the bike, as then they’d have to lock the bike, ride it home, be sweaty for first period, etc. but the bikes lanes are great for going to the Davis library, chipotle, Sarah’s etc., or the friends houses. I just am really mystified why someone is so invested in saying I’m a troll that doesn’t live here just because I keep saying that fernwood is not a convenient route for all Wyngate families. Fernwood is the western boundary for the Wyngate cache so only convenient for the folks over on marywood, friars etc. I am so curious who you are! At least give me a hint and tell what what years your kids graduated Wyngate.

Do you have now admitted to being a liar. You previously stated that “ my kids won’t take their bikes to HS because it’s easier to just take the J2 which runs every 8-10 minutes”. Now, after having it pointed out to you that everyone takes the school bus in MCPS, you sing a different toon. I do congratulate you on researching the stores at Wildwood. However since the bike lanes were just installed a month ago your kids are not using them to go get ice cream in sub-freezing temperatures.

It is honestly bizarre that you would search the MCPS forum to identify school staff, but it appears that’s what you’ve done. But your really crazy behavior makes a lot more sense because it is to cover up for the lie that really exposed you: the statement that you take Old Georgetown Rd from Wyngate ES to WJ, which is b.s. Then you magically appear claiming to live in the Wyngate neighborhood closer to Old Georgetown Rd.

I don’t understand the mentality of someone like you because it’s so crazy that it’s hard to comprehend. But it is really sad and pathetic.

Also, p.s. no one in Bethesda refers to it as “OGR”. Not ever.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

There are definitely improvements that could be made to reduce confusion, and I hope they will be made. The project isn't complete yet, though. People will also become less confused as they become used to it.

What's the solution though? Do we turn it into one turning lane? That would cause more gridlock. Regardless of how this is addressed, there will still be major gridlock. This is a major artery to access major interstates. Why would they ever encourage bike traffic on such a road is beyond me.

Which is worse, traffic back-ups or traffic deaths?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

There are definitely improvements that could be made to reduce confusion, and I hope they will be made. The project isn't complete yet, though. People will also become less confused as they become used to it.

What's the solution though? Do we turn it into one turning lane? That would cause more gridlock. Regardless of how this is addressed, there will still be major gridlock. This is a major artery to access major interstates. Why would they ever encourage bike traffic on such a road is beyond me.

Which is worse, traffic back-ups or traffic deaths?

Deaths happen either way, so let’s avoid the gridlock

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Anonymous wrote:I'm agnostic on the need for bike lanes on OGR. But this change could have been executed better. The left turn from westbound Tuckerman onto southbound OGR is an accident waiting to happen. The right most lane no longer exists so there are now two turn lanes trying to turn into the same lane to be able to take the ramp onto 270N. It's very confusing.

There are definitely improvements that could be made to reduce confusion, and I hope they will be made. The project isn't complete yet, though. People will also become less confused as they become used to it.

What's the solution though? Do we turn it into one turning lane? That would cause more gridlock. Regardless of how this is addressed, there will still be major gridlock. This is a major artery to access major interstates. Why would they ever encourage bike traffic on such a road is beyond me.

Which is worse, traffic back-ups or traffic deaths?

Deaths happen either way, so let’s avoid the gridlock

What a ghoulish thing to say. Fewer deaths happen when roads are safer.