Bethesda Soccer On Way Down

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

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Anonymous wrote:Bethesda is a travesty. They do not develop talent from the inside. Your child will go there to Wither on the vine. They know that they can get the best talent from elsewhere at any moment and don’t develop their own players. They don’t inspire allegiance in the players who played for them, and you can see that in the players from other teams that go pro!!!! Those players LOVE their club but bethesda is a transaction, a business. If they loved the game they would develop their talent from within!!! The club has a potential to be great and our DS was lucky to be moved up this year, but too many other great players have to go elsewhere because they are bringing in kids from the outside. Bethesda needs a revolution!!! Keep your talent and develop it, the kids will love you forever and you will win real silverware!!!

Agree. I've seen so many families be overjoyed to hear their child was 'scouted and recruited' at ages u8,u9,u10 u11,u12 to join a Bethesda team. These families leave the 1st or 2nd team of their current club to join the 2nd 3rd or 4th team of Bethesda and are truly happy with the idea because of the name and associating the club with winning and high level of play. The club now disguises tiers to keep parents happy by having 'two top teams' to avoid calling teams 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier. The goal is to monopolize the market, recruit as many of the talented players as possible, with more waiting to join each year. So never truly invested in developing, as mostly recruiting/ replacing players yearly to win tournaments that helps marketing the badge for more to join. Development takes time and often isnt pretty, but families dont have the patience or awareness to recognize what a good environment is for a child to improve. Not as simple as 'iron sharpens iron.'

They really do have a 1a and 1b team. They all train together. Bethesda would be such stronger if they picked the best 11 and called it a day.

Yes, agree and the problem is that in my opinion they lie to the parents about it – they tell each of the parents their kid is on the top team, and by the end of everything the parents find out they left their team teams second team for Bethesda third or fourth. It’s not fair to the parents or to the kids to play these kind of games. Just be honest about where the kids fall on the hierarchy. Hint: there’s ALWAYS a hierarchy.

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

#winning means nothing at u10/u11. are the players developing individually? are they learning to play the right way? are they given enough space that they feel comfortable experimenting and making mistakes, even if a mistake could cost the team a goal or a game?

or are they playing kickball/longball? relying on a couple bigger/athletic kids to get them goals? using a dedicated goalkeeper at these ages even though that's to the kid's detriment?

IDK but the focus on #winning at these ages is part of the problem with American youth soccer and why we lag behind other countries in development.

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

#winning means nothing at u10/u11. are the players developing individually? are they learning to play the right way? are they given enough space that they feel comfortable experimenting and making mistakes, even if a mistake could cost the team a goal or a game?

or are they playing kickball/longball? relying on a couple bigger/athletic kids to get them goals? using a dedicated goalkeeper at these ages even though that's to the kid's detriment?

IDK but the focus on #winning at these ages is part of the problem with American youth soccer and why we lag behind other countries in development.

This is it. This is most people are missing, especially in the younger ages. Kids come from outside BSC because they were playing 60 minutes a game on small clubs and permitted to make mistakes and learn without worrying about the rankings app algorithm. Their confidence is 10x a kid splitting minutes on a larger roster focusing on results.

My kid played every position on the pitch before BSC. He only plays two with them. But we guest to get minutes in different situations to balance it out.

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

#winning means nothing at u10/u11. are the players developing individually? are they learning to play the right way? are they given enough space that they feel comfortable experimenting and making mistakes, even if a mistake could cost the team a goal or a game?

or are they playing kickball/longball? relying on a couple bigger/athletic kids to get them goals? using a dedicated goalkeeper at these ages even though that's to the kid's detriment?

IDK but the focus on #winning at these ages is part of the problem with American youth soccer and why we lag behind other countries in development.

This is it. This is most people are missing, especially in the younger ages. Kids come from outside BSC because they were playing 60 minutes a game on small clubs and permitted to make mistakes and learn without worrying about the rankings app algorithm. Their confidence is 10x a kid splitting minutes on a larger roster focusing on results.

My kid played every position on the pitch before BSC. He only plays two with them. But we guest to get minutes in different situations to balance it out.

So what was the appeal to switch to BSC?

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

#winning means nothing at u10/u11. are the players developing individually? are they learning to play the right way? are they given enough space that they feel comfortable experimenting and making mistakes, even if a mistake could cost the team a goal or a game?

or are they playing kickball/longball? relying on a couple bigger/athletic kids to get them goals? using a dedicated goalkeeper at these ages even though that's to the kid's detriment?

IDK but the focus on #winning at these ages is part of the problem with American youth soccer and why we lag behind other countries in development.

This is it. This is most people are missing, especially in the younger ages. Kids come from outside BSC because they were playing 60 minutes a game on small clubs and permitted to make mistakes and learn without worrying about the rankings app algorithm. Their confidence is 10x a kid splitting minutes on a larger roster focusing on results.

My kid played every position on the pitch before BSC. He only plays two with them. But we guest to get minutes in different situations to balance it out.

So what was the appeal to switch to BSC?

My kid trains with a former BSC player who recommended us to come to BSC as it was the "best place to develop" since my kid was peaking in his small environment. That trainer has since learned a lot about the current coaching climate and management environment and supported our move out despite his love of the BSC badge. I would not trade our experience for all of the world because I would have never believed what I learned being in the building.

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What did you learn?

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They probably learned joining BSC is a lot like a dog catching a car driven by Louise Sawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

Yup, saw BSC 2nd team beat Potomac's U11 2nd team and beat them pretty soundly.

#winning means nothing at u10/u11. are the players developing individually? are they learning to play the right way? are they given enough space that they feel comfortable experimenting and making mistakes, even if a mistake could cost the team a goal or a game?

or are they playing kickball/longball? relying on a couple bigger/athletic kids to get them goals? using a dedicated goalkeeper at these ages even though that's to the kid's detriment?

IDK but the focus on #winning at these ages is part of the problem with American youth soccer and why we lag behind other countries in development.

I really liked this post, its rings 100% true and seen this first hand at those younger ages.

Most parents here equate winning with development, which is not the case at all with kids. I still remember when my kid was 10 and when his team took a stomping he cared for about 2 minutes while walking to car. After that, he was back to kicking the ball around with his friends having fun. It’s only the parents that get emotional about winning to be honest.