VA MD DC Girls soccer - thoughts, opinions

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Are any clubs urging girls to do ODP? or really suggesting anything outside of club other than just saying skills develop when you work your skills on off days?

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My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do

not for nothing, ODPs location and times look pretty inconvenient coming from ECNL (BRYC & Mclean). But there are some Loudoun girls so its hard to tell why. Looking at the 2 lists mentioned, its a wonder why the BRYC girls arent more represented at the u13 vs the u14...

TBH, there is only so much time in the day available to go between club, ODP, indoor, futsal, speed & agility, and other sports or school activities they may enjoy...

At least on the girls' side, BRYC's TD and coaches have not (in my experience) been all that supportive of kids doing ODP. Some BRYC players have done it, but not at the club's urging as far as I know. When I asked about it for my daughter several (5+) years ago, they suggested there were better ways to spend our time and money - no major issue with it, but said it was of more value to players coming from other parts of the state where the club-level training environment may not be as strong as it is in some of the clubs in the NoVa area. It's not like they made a big announcement or anything, this was just our experience in talking with them about it. BRYC has had quite a few players participate in US Soccer's National Training Centers over the years (which is free for players selected to participate).

I agree with BRYC's rationale. Completely.

I don’t disagree, but i think it depends on the training and pool at the club, especially at ECNL levels. Year to year, club teams may not be consistently as talented. I could see where a team might want some unofficial networking to try to bring in some more appropriate players.

IMHO, playing frequently alongside of players you arent comfortable with can challenge individual awareness and decision making. Clearly there are pros and cons to that style, but getting away from knowing your teammate is gonna put it over the top or a quick flick to yourself and then outrunning the center back as the main go to is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

PP here - I'm not getting my hopes up over DAs and I tend to agree with you. I think any clubs who applied for DA status are of course waiting to announce their plans for next year until they've heard back from US Soccer. And even those clubs who aren't applying for DA status probably haven't worked through all their plans and coaching decisions for next year yet. There's just a lot of movement right now in many clubs and leagues. That means if you're thinking about leaving your current club to go to a DA, you don't have the full picture of what you'd be leaving so having some time to work through that this spring makes for a better decision process. That's all. It wasn't a commentary on whether BRYC or ASA will get a DA.

I didn't mean you specifically, I meant more in the generic sense not quite the literal sense. I do think that there is not enough there there for folks to hedge their bets regarding new DA clubs where I would miss ID sessions on the off chance that my home club is getting DA unless the Technical Director is giving a strong nudge, nudge, wink, wink to the contrary. Now the ECNL landscape appears to be expanding as well as some other club announcements that always seem to happen and redraw the maps so to speak.

But, if I were dead set that my kid is playing GDA then I'm taking her to ID sessions now. But beyond that, I think this spring promises to be another interesting year and a variety of options are likely to be revealed for those who are patient.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

Arlington is not a rumor, it is a fact. There is a document on their website if you look.

BRYC did not apply for a DA. That's a BS rumor by some obviously sarcastic comment in another thread. BRYC is committed to ECNL.

Come on folks . . .

[Anonymous]

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My daughter is a U14 who is DA/ECNL player. Between trying Super Y twice(U11 and U12), summer training, in season training, and fitness training we (with her approval) did not try ODP at either U12 or U13. I have looked at the U13 and 14 ODP lists, and while some kids are from the ECNL clubs, the majority are not. As stated by other posters, you wont see DA kids at all as that is not allowed. While I do believe that it gives kids a chance to be seen outside their club, an opportunity to learn from other coaches, and an opportunity to train with other quality players, ODP was not one of the extras that we chose to do

not for nothing, ODPs location and times look pretty inconvenient coming from ECNL (BRYC & Mclean). But there are some Loudoun girls so its hard to tell why. Looking at the 2 lists mentioned, its a wonder why the BRYC girls arent more represented at the u13 vs the u14...

TBH, there is only so much time in the day available to go between club, ODP, indoor, futsal, speed & agility, and other sports or school activities they may enjoy...

At least on the girls' side, BRYC's TD and coaches have not (in my experience) been all that supportive of kids doing ODP. Some BRYC players have done it, but not at the club's urging as far as I know. When I asked about it for my daughter several (5+) years ago, they suggested there were better ways to spend our time and money - no major issue with it, but said it was of more value to players coming from other parts of the state where the club-level training environment may not be as strong as it is in some of the clubs in the NoVa area. It's not like they made a big announcement or anything, this was just our experience in talking with them about it. BRYC has had quite a few players participate in US Soccer's National Training Centers over the years (which is free for players selected to participate).

I agree with BRYC's rationale. Completely.

I don’t disagree, but i think it depends on the training and pool at the club, especially at ECNL levels. Year to year, club teams may not be consistently as talented. I could see where a team might want some unofficial networking to try to bring in some more appropriate players.

IMHO, playing frequently alongside of players you arent comfortable with can challenge individual awareness and decision making. Clearly there are pros and cons to that style, but getting away from knowing your teammate is gonna put it over the top or a quick flick to yourself and then outrunning the center back as the main go to is a good thing.

The OP and follow-up were whether ELITE players still do it. They can't or don't. These pros and cons are for the average B player, not for an ELITE player practicing at least 4x a week. Sure, there may be the occasional exception in ECNL that thinks it is worthwhile driving to Fredericksburg on the weekends, but that is by far not the norm for elite players anymore. ODP is basically not relevant at that level.

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

Arlington is not a rumor, it is a fact. There is a document on their website if you look.

BRYC did not apply for a DA. That's a BS rumor by some obviously sarcastic comment in another thread. BRYC is committed to ECNL.

Come on folks . . .

Can you post the link to the document you are referencing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

PP here - I'm not getting my hopes up over DAs and I tend to agree with you. I think any clubs who applied for DA status are of course waiting to announce their plans for next year until they've heard back from US Soccer. And even those clubs who aren't applying for DA status probably haven't worked through all their plans and coaching decisions for next year yet. There's just a lot of movement right now in many clubs and leagues. That means if you're thinking about leaving your current club to go to a DA, you don't have the full picture of what you'd be leaving so having some time to work through that this spring makes for a better decision process. That's all. It wasn't a commentary on whether BRYC or ASA will get a DA.

Application Timeline:
October 11, 2017 - Application Opens
December 3, 2017 - Final Day to Submit Applications
February 2018 - Application Decisions Announced
February/March 2018 - New Clubs Confirm Participation
September 1, 2018 - Start of the 2018-19 Academy Season

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are any clubs urging girls to do ODP? or really suggesting anything outside of club other than just saying skills develop when you work your skills on off days?

Clues in the coaching lineup for nova district?

http://www.vysa.com/odp/DistrictODP/109101.html

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

PP here - I'm not getting my hopes up over DAs and I tend to agree with you. I think any clubs who applied for DA status are of course waiting to announce their plans for next year until they've heard back from US Soccer. And even those clubs who aren't applying for DA status probably haven't worked through all their plans and coaching decisions for next year yet. There's just a lot of movement right now in many clubs and leagues. That means if you're thinking about leaving your current club to go to a DA, you don't have the full picture of what you'd be leaving so having some time to work through that this spring makes for a better decision process. That's all. It wasn't a commentary on whether BRYC or ASA will get a DA.

Application Timeline:
October 11, 2017 - Application Opens
December 3, 2017 - Final Day to Submit Applications
February 2018 - Application Decisions Announced
February/March 2018 - New Clubs Confirm Participation
September 1, 2018 - Start of the 2018-19 Academy Season

Is this supposed to prove Arlington applied or just to show the general timeline?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:getting back to girl's soccer, is anyone planning to go to WS DA two tryouts coming up? what have they told parents about timing of offers?

Tryout this Saturday 2/10 is on - 3pm for 2004-2006s; 4:30-6 for 2000-2003s. The tryout on 2/17 was canceled - teams/coaching staff will be at Penn Fusion Winter Showcase.
Torres said player ID process will continue into the spring. Parents whose kids have already participated in tryouts will get some sort of email either letting them know they'd be getting an offer or inviting the player back for more looks. I'm pretty sure he said no offers would be extended right away.

thank you very much. have you gone to any of the other DA tryout sessions, and do you sense that the DAs are in any rush to lock-up girls, or taking a more measured approach and going to take their time to really look this Spring? there is so much going on right now for girls and if you ask around at our club, no one tells you anything but rumors they've heard.

Yes, I have. I don't get the sense at all that the Spirit is in a rush to lock up rosters now, although I think they will let top players they like know that they're interested and will be making an offer; for players who are more mid-pack, they'll buy some time by inviting them to come back out for more looks in the spring. I think they want to leave themselves the flexibility to add girls later in the spring. Now that they have a year of experience under their belts and a base of players in the 04-00 age groups, they can afford to take their time and be selective. I also think this gives interested players the opportunity to get through some of the spring and find out what their current club has planned for next year. I know our existing club hasn't announced coaches or team structure for next year yet. And from reading this board, it sounds like there could be some new developments in the youth soccer landscape in the coming weeks.

i was told us soccer will be making decisions/announcements about the new girls DA clubs this month, but doesn't that sound a little too soon? good luck this weekend!

I wouldn’t get ones hope up over any new full DAs in NoVA. I could see a full GDA in Richmond. I think if rumors of Arlington and BRYC applying are true that US Soccer would just tell them “sorry, you missed your chance but we are encouraging mergers so go talk to those DAs”

PP here - I'm not getting my hopes up over DAs and I tend to agree with you. I think any clubs who applied for DA status are of course waiting to announce their plans for next year until they've heard back from US Soccer. And even those clubs who aren't applying for DA status probably haven't worked through all their plans and coaching decisions for next year yet. There's just a lot of movement right now in many clubs and leagues. That means if you're thinking about leaving your current club to go to a DA, you don't have the full picture of what you'd be leaving so having some time to work through that this spring makes for a better decision process. That's all. It wasn't a commentary on whether BRYC or ASA will get a DA.

Application Timeline:
October 11, 2017 - Application Opens
December 3, 2017 - Final Day to Submit Applications
February 2018 - Application Decisions Announced
February/March 2018 - New Clubs Confirm Participation
September 1, 2018 - Start of the 2018-19 Academy Season

Is this supposed to prove Arlington applied or just to show the general timeline?

That's a timeline from USA Soccer:

http://www.ussoccerda.com/overview-join-the-academy

[Anonymous]

Can someone opine - Why SuperY? Club seems to have moved from promoting to pushing. I like that my kids do other things in the summer.

[Anonymous]

Girls DA prohibits Super Y.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girls DA prohibits Super Y.

Super Y is not technically during the DA season so players can participate, they just cannot play in the finals down in Florida.

As for “why do Super Y”? It is mostly to keep playing and stay fit. Keep getting touches and most of all, a chance to play with different kids and for a different coach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are any clubs urging girls to do ODP? or really suggesting anything outside of club other than just saying skills develop when you work your skills on off days?

Clues in the coaching lineup for nova district?

http://www.vysa.com/odp/DistrictODP/109101.html

My daughter, now playing DA/ECNL, did VA ODP for a couple of years at younger ages. We found that CCL coaches were a huge part of the coaching staff, and that CCL players were the core of the teams, particularly as the pyramid narrowed.

[Anonymous]

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But, given a good environment and far more playing time the B team starter can easily pass the A team Bench player.

In theory, yes … but in practice this appears to happen rarely probably due to the confluence of the environment, limited coaching and training, and weaker opponents that may not provide similar challenge. Add that to the latent attitude issue of players AND parents and you get a big ball of nothing learned.

I think the starter (assuming playing more minutes)!vs the bench player is very team dependent, given the talent and roster size.

It’s must be a club thing. At the u9-u11 the amount of game time difference is not that great plus there are not many games. The girls practice 2-3 days a week during the season and have one game. Even if you play the whole game as a B team player vs 15 minutes as an A team player(which should not happen at u9-u11), you are not getting a lot more touches. You do not have the ball the whole game(or maybe you do :roll. At that age it’s(should be) about development of individual skills. You do that in practice and on your own.

Now you can game the system at u9-u11, you play the most physically developed girls(fast, big, whatever) and don’t care about skill development. Basically knock the other players over and run by them. In that case if a girl who is younger but has better ball skills on the B team hits a growth spurt, she will move up. If you are on a club like that find a new club.