To WP: What Can Black People Do to Improve Race Relations in this Country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a foreigner and I live in an area where there are not very many black people. I mostly see them in customer service, including state agencies.
If I have a choice I will go to an Asian customer service rep because:
I don't like walking on eggshells as to what I am saying
I don't want to meet this 1 in 100 stereotypical person
I don't understand what a lot of black people are saying a lot of times; while I cut Asian immigrants tons of slack, it is not so easy to do when you have an American born and bred person in front of you

Bahhhhhhaaaahh, you left out Hispanics and middle eastern . Where exactly do you live that Asian and black people are the only customer service reps .

I am indifferent if CS reps are white, hispanic or whatever else. I just mentioned my preferences and avoidances.
I don't know if it qualifies as racist, as I don't have much experience other than what I have mentioned. Just trying to relay my experience.

You know it qualifies. Congrats you can join the klan... Oh no wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep the "I'm angry and everyone around me has to make way for me and my problems" shit to yourself. Who gives a damn you are so damn mad all the time? Every freakin' person has problems. Go to anger management classes or something instead of being a shit head in public.

There are tons of angry whites out there. Better access to good meds makes a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No self respecting black woman would seek validation from whites on DCUM.

I disagree. OP was seeking "validation", but instead recognized that issues relating to race relations and tensions are limited to one race. By seeking understanding we have the opportunity to move forward. If all races are stuck with their own limited views and prejudices, there is not hope. Perhaps it is just easier for you when caucasians are asked to do all the changing?

Oh please. Then where are the posts from Muslims, Hispanic and Asians etc. pleading with whites for tips on how they can "better themselves"?

Ex: Asian American Man here: White DCUM posters, can you please tell me what Asians can do to break into the C-Suite in corporate America?

OP wanted to start yet another race baiting thread and she succeeded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black man here,
If I had ever mentioned slavery as an excuse for my behavior or outcomes, my dad would've beat the shit out of me (like a slave). That excuse is tired and when I hear it, I immediately write that person off because I know that whatever happens in their life, they will do absolutely nothing to make it better. These are not the type of people that I like to work, play, or associate with.

Question for you: when have you ever heard it used as an excuse? In what context?

And your quip about being beaten like a slave was not funny. In fact, it was in extremely poor taste.

So a black male is claiming he's not falling into victim role, and you're chastising him for trying to move forward?

TBH, I'd rather have him as my father than you as a parent. Kids don't need victims as role models; they need strong, secure individuals to help them lead the way. And it's not always about having the means either. It's about having the mindset to grow beyond these tired old beliefs.

What part of my question(s) indicates a desire for the pp to be a victim? Why do you use that tired label without any proof whatsoever? Is it the new cool word?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing - I wish blacks would SERIOUSLY start addressing the issue of black-on-black violence. I live in what many would consider to be the 'hood - and I feel as though every week I pass a church where there is a funeral for a youth. When I check news reports, these deaths are barely mentioned. It's disgusting. But, the only solution will come from within the black community.

Ok why don't you call white people killing white people white
White on white crime??
It is just crime !!!!!!!
Communities most affected by it need to adress it, but please don't act as of it some special kind of crime when both the victim and perpetrator are black.

I am not that PP but I am sure it is referred to as black on black violence because young black men are being killed by young black men, at an alarming and heartbreaking level.

I would like to see the same outrage about this tragedy from the black community, particularly its leaders, as was shown about Trevon. For every Trevon, there are hundreds of other young men who are victims of black on black violence in our inner cities.

It is equally tragic, if not more tragic, just based on the sheer numbers.

Black people don't have "leaders"? Do white people have "leaders" also? Why do so many make the assumption that an entire race of people has (or needs) someone to speak on our behalf? We are not monolithic.

BTW, it's Trayvon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
What can black people do? Remove the chip from their shoulders, as this thread so clearly illustrates is necessary.

Examples? Oftentimes, this accusation lacks any proof. If you take DCUM as gospel, then white people are the epitome of the angry woman and insecure people with chips on their shoulders.

Anonymous wrote:Black people need to stick together and stop trying to explain or prove things to white people. They also need to stop with the "I am not that type of black". You might not be, but the divide and conquer thing doesn't really help you out. Get some self esteem and stop airing your dirty laundry because it only comes back to bite you in the butt.

Why do black people need to stick together? Do you find this to be true of all races? I'm black and don't know any black people in California, South Africa or Brazil. How exactly should we "stick together"?

Anonymous wrote:Keep the "I'm angry and everyone around me has to make way for me and my problems" shit to yourself. Who gives a damn you are so damn mad all the time? Every freakin' person has problems. Go to anger management classes or something instead of being a shit head in public.

When have you witnessed this? Do you have examples or are you just replaying the tired old "black and angry" line. How disappointing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a foreigner and I live in an area where there are not very many black people. I mostly see them in customer service, including state agencies.
If I have a choice I will go to an Asian customer service rep because:
I don't like walking on eggshells as to what I am saying
I don't want to meet this 1 in 100 stereotypical person
I don't understand what a lot of black people are saying a lot of times; while I cut Asian immigrants tons of slack, it is not so easy to do when you have an American born and bred person in front of you

IME, some Asians can be incredibly rude, curt and dismissive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a foreigner and I live in an area where there are not very many black people. I mostly see them in customer service, including state agencies.
If I have a choice I will go to an Asian customer service rep because:
I don't like walking on eggshells as to what I am saying
I don't want to meet this 1 in 100 stereotypical person
I don't understand what a lot of black people are saying a lot of times; while I cut Asian immigrants tons of slack, it is not so easy to do when you have an American born and bred person in front of you

IME, some Asians can be incredibly rude, curt and dismissive.

NP. Yes, but they value customers so they tend to remedy problems. They might not smile while doing so, but they will exchange items for you without a hassle, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a foreigner and I live in an area where there are not very many black people. I mostly see them in customer service, including state agencies.
If I have a choice I will go to an Asian customer service rep because:
I don't like walking on eggshells as to what I am saying
I don't want to meet this 1 in 100 stereotypical person
I don't understand what a lot of black people are saying a lot of times; while I cut Asian immigrants tons of slack, it is not so easy to do when you have an American born and bred person in front of you

IME, some Asians can be incredibly rude, curt and dismissive.

NP. Yes, but they value customers so they tend to remedy problems. They might not smile while doing so, but they will exchange items for you without a hassle, etc.

Huh? You acknowledge that they are rude, curt and dismissive yet you say they value customers? More like, they want the money you'll give them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a European who goes to school with mostly black people and we get along just fine.I don't hear any complaining that somebody is holding them back(happened only once, but the guy was from Cameroon and local blacks told him to shut up).
I wanted to say that I wish you'd address the black on black violence. It makes me feel like black people don't value life (specially black life), and therefore black people are worth less.
Then again, what can be done to change it?!

OMG WE ARE NOT A MONOLITH. You think just because two people have black skin that they can start lecturing each other on violence? Don't you think there are more complex issues at work? What the hell am I supposed to do to stop black on black violence? I don't know people like that, my family and friends aren't violent. I suppose I should go to MLK Jr. Blvd, get on a soapbox and start shouting that people should stop killing each other.

And "European", just what country are you from? France? Does that mean since the French didn't resist the German invasion, they are all cheese-eating surrender-monkeys? Or all Germans hate Jews? Or all Brits eat fish-n-chips? No? Then don't you dare generalize 'black people'.

[Anonymous]

I hope that Jeff closes this thread. It is ugly, divisive and not constructive at all. What the OP has done is made it open season on AAs. People can, without identifying themselves, tell another race what is wrong with it. I am bi-racial and I have seen the best and worst of both worlds. It is not about playing victim or being defensive - those are buzzwords that automatically chill any type of meaningful dialouge. It is not about what race can do to make another race comfortable - that answer will ALWAYS be "well, be more like MY race." People talk a good game, but no one wants to come out of their bubble to truly understand each other. MOST of us want the same thing - but we focus on the most negative examples from each other and run with those. It is tiring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a European who goes to school with mostly black people and we get along just fine.I don't hear any complaining that somebody is holding them back(happened only once, but the guy was from Cameroon and local blacks told him to shut up).
I wanted to say that I wish you'd address the black on black violence. It makes me feel like black people don't value life (specially black life), and therefore black people are worth less.
Then again, what can be done to change it?!

OMG WE ARE NOT A MONOLITH. You think just because two people have black skin that they can start lecturing each other on violence? Don't you think there are more complex issues at work? What the hell am I supposed to do to stop black on black violence? I don't know people like that, my family and friends aren't violent. I suppose I should go to MLK Jr. Blvd, get on a soapbox and start shouting that people should stop killing each other.

And "European", just what country are you from? France? Does that mean since the French didn't resist the German invasion, they are all cheese-eating surrender-monkeys? Or all Germans hate Jews? Or all Brits eat fish-n-chips? No? Then don't you dare generalize 'black people'.

Beautifully put, pp. You nailed it. So tired of hearing how each individual black person should be responsible for all other black people from white people who don't take responsibility for the behavior of all other white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What can black people do? Remove the chip from their shoulders, as this thread so clearly illustrates is necessary.

Examples? Oftentimes, this accusation lacks any proof. If you take DCUM as gospel, then white people are the epitome of the angry woman and insecure people with chips on their shoulders.

Anonymous wrote:Black people need to stick together and stop trying to explain or prove things to white people. They also need to stop with the "I am not that type of black". You might not be, but the divide and conquer thing doesn't really help you out. Get some self esteem and stop airing your dirty laundry because it only comes back to bite you in the butt.

Why do black people need to stick together? Do you find this to be true of all races? I'm black and don't know any black people in California, South Africa or Brazil. How exactly should we "stick together"?

Anonymous wrote:Keep the "I'm angry and everyone around me has to make way for me and my problems" shit to yourself. Who gives a damn you are so damn mad all the time? Every freakin' person has problems. Go to anger management classes or something instead of being a shit head in public.

When have you witnessed this? Do you have examples or are you just replaying the tired old "black and angry" line. How disappointing.

Why do black people need to stick together? Because divided you fall. You should stick together by stop trying to prove that you are not "like them". For example, if someone starts a thread that was meant to bash black people, and then blacks come and try to explain how they feel, you really shouldn't be the black who chimes in with "get that chip off your shoulder because my dad would have beat me like a slave"...or something like that. I don't get the point unless you are trying really hard to prove yourself to white people.

You also shouldn't air your dirty laundry to people who have no real interest in helping you clean it. What good does that do? It all goes back to trying to prove things to people who will never walk in your shoes and who don't really give a damn when it comes down to it. You make yourself out to be some sort of alien to investigate, as opposed to a human being. Complaining to white people about what black people do makes no sense if you are black. White people have their own complaints and they aren't going to solve your problems. They are just going to make a show of it.

As for other races, I say they do stick together in the ways I have mentioned above. Of course, all of this is speaking in generalities.

Black people may not be physically enslaved, but the mental slavery is alive and well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a foreigner and I live in an area where there are not very many black people. I mostly see them in customer service, including state agencies.
If I have a choice I will go to an Asian customer service rep because:
I don't like walking on eggshells as to what I am saying
I don't want to meet this 1 in 100 stereotypical person
I don't understand what a lot of black people are saying a lot of times; while I cut Asian immigrants tons of slack, it is not so easy to do when you have an American born and bred person in front of you

IME, some Asians can be incredibly rude, curt and dismissive.

NP. Yes, but they value customers so they tend to remedy problems. They might not smile while doing so, but they will exchange items for you without a hassle, etc.

I don't think you actually frequent Asian businesses. This has not been my experience at all.

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