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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

Then, quit complaining about unexcused absences or teachers who don't produce packets of work for you. Your child obviously does not need instruction.

The one complaining is the power mad principal. As I’ve said my experience is supportive teachers happy to provide material.

If that changed I’d get the absence excused and the teacher would have to provide makeup work. I think most teachers aren’t so bitter as the ones here who begrudge children a few days with their grandparents.

I’m a teacher. It isn’t about being bitter. It’s about being disrespected.

I’m all for your trip to see the grandparents. I’ll make the packets, meet after school to get your kid caught up, check in multiple times, etc. But just be gracious about it and not entitled. (And your comment about just forcing the work by getting it “excused”? That’s disrespectful, dismissive, and entitled.)

This is taking time I don’t have and it’s keeping me from 1,000 other things I need to be doing at that moment. I’m overworked, overextended, and tired.

So the sense of entitlement needs to disappear. Say “thank you” and all will be fine. And make it sincere.

What’s funny about this to me is, if I ever had a teacher actually try to penalize my kid for the circumstances of her family, I would consider the — teacher — dismissive, disrespectful, and entitled. I would feel the same way about wasting my time getting the absence officially excused and requiring the work— wasting my time when I have 1,000 other important things to do.

Since we’ve always had supportive teachers, we’ve always been very appreciative. But power trips have no place in teaching (or in administration as this principal is demonstrating)

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

Parents take off before and after planning days to enable the childcare required by Tuesday planning days followed by Weds early release. Most parents don't have 39 PTO days. Vacation is more likely in the long breaks and isn't a childcare issue.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

Or obvious answer: go in the summer

Or, again, go. But, your child's education is on you. You obviously think he is missing nothing.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

Or obvious answer: go in the summer

Or, again, go. But, your child's education is on you. You obviously think he is missing nothing.

This isn’t your logic when teachers vacation during the school year.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

Or obvious answer: go in the summer

Or, again, go. But, your child's education is on you. You obviously think he is missing nothing.

This isn’t your logic when teachers vacation during the school year.

That is extremely rare. I was a teacher--I only took a week off once for an extreme family emergency. It was far from a vacation.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

Or obvious answer: go in the summer

Or, again, go. But, your child's education is on you. You obviously think he is missing nothing.

This isn’t your logic when teachers vacation during the school year.

That is extremely rare. I was a teacher--I only took a week off once for an extreme family emergency. It was far from a vacation.

I know two teachers who did midweek Disney last year and I’m a different poster than the earlier one who posted about Orlando.

It’s clearly not that rare.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

High School teacher, if we can finished this Unit on Thursday and Friday, we will have the unit Test on Monday or Tuesday and the other days will easy day. We are not starting a new unit the day before break.


What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Parents already take off days before and after planning days so all that would happen is instead of taking off Friday if is a planning day, parents would take off Thursday on same theory as being used in thread now. Will fix nothing and parents wanting 3 weeks or 4 or whatever want in Dec will still be mad.

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High School teacher, if we can finished this Unit on Thursday and Friday, we will have the unit Test on Monday or Tuesday and the other days will easy day. We are not starting a new unit the day before break.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Teacher here. I don’t think missing a day before break is the big deal. Even two days before break. It is when kids are missing a full week or two to extend an already two week break. This is the main reason the two week winter break will stay put.

Parents, you are in control of your kids attendance. If you want to pull them, there is nothing we can do. It is up to you though that the kids catch up with what is missed. They may have tests the first week back, essays due, projects due, etc. They will have content they missed.

FCPS has statistics on the impact of chronic absenteeism - 17% of chronic absent were reading proficiently in grade 3 compared to 64% with good attendance. Longitudinally students not reading proficiently in grade 3 were 4 times more likely to drop out. Academic Matters 11/14/24 https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/DAZRKV6E4756/$file/School%20Board%20Presentation%20SY25%20-%20Student%20Attendance%20and%20Engagement.pdf

FCPS tried year round school as part of it's Modified Calendar Program starting in the late 1990's. First was Timber Lane. That cut down on some January absences since in some countries [ie in Central America] the school year ran late Jan or early Feb through November or to mid Dec. Students could get opt outs with transportation to specific standard calendar schools. AAP was then the smaller GT which got expanded in 2002 and now is the really broad AAP.

FCPS published % of chronic absenteeism for the 2018-19 school year as part of a governance work session on 10/2/2019. Odd place to see the actual statistics but here it is: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BGKMJ45B69C8/$file/ChronAbsenteeismCivicEngagementImpact_AlphaRegion_v2.pdf

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Clearly parents want to travel. So why isn't FCPS giving a week long break sometime other than spring break and Christmas? I think 99% of parents would trade all the random days off and random half days for a full week.

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Between boundaries survey, the Swiss cheese calendar, the bodyguards, and communications like this, it is going to take a miracle for FCPS to regain the trust of the parent body. The time to consider families last in decision-making is long over.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

You do realize that the attendance metric influences funding for your child’s school?

You keep saying this. Here’s an easy fix:

The day before winter break has a very high absence rate. Next year make that a teacher planning day. Now the school average attendance is higher!

Why doesn't FCPS take the steps within their control?

DP. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we? If you make that day a planning day, parents will treat that as the start of winter break and take their kid out a day earlier.

Try it and see. Or put planning days on other high-absence days like the Monday after Thanksgiving. FCPS has 100% control over where those days are and 0% credibility with parents, so start making the decisions within their control, it will help with both problems.

Teacher here. I don’t think missing a day before break is the big deal. Even two days before break. It is when kids are missing a full week or two to extend an already two week break. This is the main reason the two week winter break will stay put.

Parents, you are in control of your kids attendance. If you want to pull them, there is nothing we can do. It is up to you though that the kids catch up with what is missed. They may have tests the first week back, essays due, projects due, etc. They will have content they missed.

FCPS has statistics on the impact of chronic absenteeism - 17% of chronic absent were reading proficiently in grade 3 compared to 64% with good attendance. Longitudinally students not reading proficiently in grade 3 were 4 times more likely to drop out. Academic Matters 11/14/24 https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/DAZRKV6E4756/$file/School%20Board%20Presentation%20SY25%20-%20Student%20Attendance%20and%20Engagement.pdf

FCPS tried year round school as part of it's Modified Calendar Program starting in the late 1990's. First was Timber Lane. That cut down on some January absences since in some countries [ie in Central America] the school year ran late Jan or early Feb through November or to mid Dec. Students could get opt outs with transportation to specific standard calendar schools. AAP was then the smaller GT which got expanded in 2002 and now is the really broad AAP.

FCPS published % of chronic absenteeism for the 2018-19 school year as part of a governance work session on 10/2/2019. Odd place to see the actual statistics but here it is: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BGKMJ45B69C8/$file/ChronAbsenteeismCivicEngagementImpact_AlphaRegion_v2.pdf

Chronic absenteeism is not equivalent to pulling your kids from school for 3-5 days once a calendar year for a vacation. Chronic absenteeism is 10% or more of a school year, so a minimum of 18 absences.

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If I encountered it I would probably discuss our plans with our pediatrician and see whether they thought the kids socioemotional health was best served by being in school or with family.

If your child does not need the instruction and is not missing anything important--then why are you worried about it being excused? Why are you demanding that the teacher provide work if she is not teaching? PP claims her child will be just fine academiclally.

If she’s not teaching there wont be any assignments to provide.

If i was taking a long flight or had significant downtime I’d ask for the material. If i got pushback id seek an excused absence. I wouldn’t follow an arbitrary rule so a teacher felt powerful not doing what others do hsppily.

So, who is the one here claiming to be powerful?

What a weird reaction— parents get work for their traveling kids every day. Isn’t this what you want? Parents working with their kids out of school?

Really nothing will satisfy you. Don’t take kids out — even if there is a sub or non important materials. Don't fall behind but don’t keep up!

Your kid actually can’t “keep up” with 4 weeks of packet work. What we can’t send along is all the instruction and activities we do to help them learn the content and master the skills that work should assess. At BEST we can send 4 weeks of busy work which is pointless to ask us to put together and pointless for your kid to do. We can’t send the next 4 weeks of lessons and new content. I’ve mentioned in this thread before the kid who went to India for over a month last year and the dad wanted us to have 1:1 Google meet lessons (this was denied). But we did post all the work for him online, even though in my class no assignments are even done online. Nevertheless I did it. He emailed us saying his son was having trouble understanding the material posted in Schoology. No duh!! He was not here to be taught it!

Wait a second— we just had a retired teacher tel us that busywork was SO IMPORTANT that kids should come to school to receive instruction from her pre-positioned busywork folder instead of spending time with their families.

LOL! I'm the retired teacher whose words you have conveniently twisted. You skipped the part about the detailed plans and the materials for the lessons that were left on my desk. The folder of "busy work" was "just in case."

But, the part I really don't understand is the parent who thinks that lessons go in "lock step." This assumes that every lesson is a complete success and that all of the students clearly "get" it. Gee, sometimes a lesson needs repetition and more practice--and sometimes, the kids get it so quickly that you can skip along to the next one.

But, PP has decided that the teacher is supposed to anticipate exactly what her child needs.

And, as preparing the lesson for the kids with "strep." If she cannot see the difference here, then she cannot be helped. And, kids are seldom out sick for weeks--and, believe me, most teachers would lovingly do as much as possible to help that kid. But, traveling mom thinks this is the same thing. And, FWIW, a sick child definitely suffers and a really sick child is going to need lots of extra help on return--because they likely have not been able to keep up because he does not feel well.

As for the doctor--sounds like a quack if he is giving excuses for travel.

If you don’t know how over FCPS most local pediatric practices are you’re living under a rock. There are memes about them printed out in the nurses station of ours.

Is it a school’s responsibility to keep pediatricians happy?

No.

Of course, not, but don’t be shocked that many pediatricians are more than happy to make sure their patients aren’t being arbitrary penalized by FCPS. They remember being at work while their kids were at home “learning”

Ah one of the idiotic “Schools were closed during a pandemic when millions of people were dying” geniuses. I can’t wait for you rkid to get to college and watch the Professors laugh at her COVID is the excuse of everything attitude.

COVID may not be the reason for everything but its definitely the reason my pediatricians office has FCPS memes on the wall and has no problem keeping their patients insulated from dumb policies.

They also require vaccination so don’t worry its not only MAHA fringe who is over FCPS.

Complaining about COVID policies on the one hand and claiming that expecting kids not to take extended vacations while school is in session is a little ironic.

I hated the COVID policies and think they made terrible decisions. I also think kids should be in school when school is in session.

It may seem ironic. You concluded that kids should be in school whenever FCPS decides they feel like having school. I concluded that FCPS doesn’t remotely care about the well-being of their students or their families, and so that— and not FCPS’ whims— is my primary concern. It’s in my child's best interest and mu families best interest that we travel and spend time together. That this doesn’t help FCPS meet their attendance metric is for them to worry about.

Then, quit complaining about unexcused absences or teachers who don't produce packets of work for you. Your child obviously does not need instruction.

The one complaining is the power mad principal. As I’ve said my experience is supportive teachers happy to provide material.

If that changed I’d get the absence excused and the teacher would have to provide makeup work. I think most teachers aren’t so bitter as the ones here who begrudge children a few days with their grandparents.

I’m a teacher. It isn’t about being bitter. It’s about being disrespected.

I’m all for your trip to see the grandparents. I’ll make the packets, meet after school to get your kid caught up, check in multiple times, etc. But just be gracious about it and not entitled. (And your comment about just forcing the work by getting it “excused”? That’s disrespectful, dismissive, and entitled.)

This is taking time I don’t have and it’s keeping me from 1,000 other things I need to be doing at that moment. I’m overworked, overextended, and tired.

So the sense of entitlement needs to disappear. Say “thank you” and all will be fine. And make it sincere.

What’s funny about this to me is, if I ever had a teacher actually try to penalize my kid for the circumstances of her family, I would consider the — teacher — dismissive, disrespectful, and entitled. I would feel the same way about wasting my time getting the absence officially excused and requiring the work— wasting my time when I have 1,000 other important things to do.

Since we’ve always had supportive teachers, we’ve always been very appreciative. But power trips have no place in teaching (or in administration as this principal is demonstrating)

So expecting appreciation instead of rudeness is a “power trip” to you?

I literally wrote that I would go WAY out of my way to help your kid. All I expect in return is a “thank you” because I am adding to my incredible workload to support your trip.

But that’s apparently a power trip.