Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?

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Anonymous wrote:my DC attends a well-known NYC private - 25 applicants to Williams and Amherst over the last 4 years, with 7 acceptances. 2 Pomona applicants both accepted. Pomona a wonderful school, but doesn’t have the cache with the east coast elite - not do I think the school gives a sht, it’s doing just fine without the east coast strivers who are ivy or bust, then williams/amherst or bust

I’m sorry but this is super obvious. More east coasters apply to Williams and more west coasters apply to Pomona. Most people don’t travel across the country for school- even good ones. It’s unnecessary to.

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Anonymous wrote:my DC attends a well-known NYC private - 25 applicants to Williams and Amherst over the last 4 years, with 7 acceptances. 2 Pomona applicants both accepted. Pomona a wonderful school, but doesn’t have the cache with the east coast elite - not do I think the school gives a sht, it’s doing just fine without the east coast strivers who are ivy or bust, then williams/amherst or bust

Meh, Pomona has a ton of east coast people on campus. Maybe there’s space for nuance.

Good luck getting into Pomona from the DMV!

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Anonymous wrote:I’d choose Williams or Pomona for their special study abroad and fellowships with Oxford and Cambridge.

Those differences seem like valid reasons for picking one of these dozen or so schools over the others.

They may very well be. But with respect to the Williams program, they live in a house together away from the college. They share a bedroom with another Williams student. Sharing a bedroom is unheard of at Oxbridge; nobody shares a room. They are considered adults.

Pomona students actually live in the college, as far as I know, and live in their single rooms like a real Cambridge student. Just sayin’…

Both sound like wonderful opportunities to go somewhere most people can only dream of.

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Anonymous wrote:my DC attends a well-known NYC private - 25 applicants to Williams and Amherst over the last 4 years, with 7 acceptances. 2 Pomona applicants both accepted. Pomona a wonderful school, but doesn’t have the cache with the east coast elite - not do I think the school gives a sht, it’s doing just fine without the east coast strivers who are ivy or bust, then williams/amherst or bust

Meh, Pomona has a ton of east coast people on campus. Maybe there’s space for nuance.

the enrollment is 1700+/- - there’s not a ton of any type of kids there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WASPB. LOL. Keep saying it over and over and it might become a thing.

You just did! Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d choose Williams or Pomona for their special study abroad and fellowships with Oxford and Cambridge.

Those differences seem like valid reasons for picking one of these dozen or so schools over the others.

They may very well be. But with respect to the Williams program, they live in a house together away from the college. They share a bedroom with another Williams student. Sharing a bedroom is unheard of at Oxbridge; nobody shares a room. They are considered adults.

Pomona students actually live in the college, as far as I know, and live in their single rooms like a real Cambridge student. Just sayin’…

Both sound like wonderful opportunities to go somewhere most people can only dream of.

And one is way better…

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Other way around. The need blind schools aren’t nearly as selective as they appear because they draw huge numbers of international applications but only take a very tiny portion of them which “artificially” skews their numbers.

This phenomenon is by no means limited to the more exclusive need blind SLACs like Amherst and Bowdoin (and by extension W, S, and P who do not publicize this data). Many others (e.g Hamilton, Bates, Haverford) included the foreign application and acceptance data in recent CDS and have just as large a proportion of foreign applicants. The SLAC model has been very popular with a certain set of well-to-do foreign students. Of course after this year I expect to see drastic declines in such applications.

Yes, absolutely, need blind or not, SLAC or Ivy, internationals have lower acceptance rates. For example, Grinnell is not need blind for internationals, but they have a lot of international students and give aid to many — so a ton of applicants.

But the point is that all of this is irrelevant if you are a domestic student. Then you have to “normalize” for athletes, Questbridge and like programs (admitted ED at nearly a 1:1 ratio), major donors or famous, medium donors plus legacy, first gen not doing Questbridge, geographic diversity, low-performing high schools etc.

Then yield, then percent of class admitted ED, whether there are two ED rounds or one, whether ED is even an advantage etc.

Then you will find that domestic chances of admission are different after WASPB.

In other words, the international gobbledygook is an unnecessary distraction.

Care to provide some evidence for this? I'm pretty sure that you can't but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary regarding international applications skewing acceptance rates. ED is a different animal and harder to decipher because of programs like the ones that you mentioned along with athletes and others.

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Anonymous wrote:WASPB. LOL. Keep saying it over and over and it might become a thing.

You just did! Thank you.

WASP-B (pronounced like WASPY)

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Anonymous wrote:my DC attends a well-known NYC private - 25 applicants to Williams and Amherst over the last 4 years, with 7 acceptances. 2 Pomona applicants both accepted. Pomona a wonderful school, but doesn’t have the cache with the east coast elite - not do I think the school gives a sht, it’s doing just fine without the east coast strivers who are ivy or bust, then williams/amherst or bust

Meh, Pomona has a ton of east coast people on campus. Maybe there’s space for nuance.

the enrollment is 1700+/- - there’s not a ton of any type of kids there

I think it’s obvious we’re talking relative to an lac.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d choose Williams or Pomona for their special study abroad and fellowships with Oxford and Cambridge.

Those differences seem like valid reasons for picking one of these dozen or so schools over the others.

They may very well be. But with respect to the Williams program, they live in a house together away from the college. They share a bedroom with another Williams student. Sharing a bedroom is unheard of at Oxbridge; nobody shares a room. They are considered adults.

Pomona students actually live in the college, as far as I know, and live in their single rooms like a real Cambridge student. Just sayin’…

Both sound like wonderful opportunities to go somewhere most people can only dream of.

And one is way better…

I am sure that Haverford appreciates your endorsement.

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Anonymous wrote:I loved Amherst when I visited a million years ago, so I'd ED there. Although I didn't see Swarthmore and I think I might have loved it too.

But if I had a kid who had so little opinion on geography etc . . . that they were asking this, I'd have them ED to a SLAC that was also excellent and a little easier to get into. Grinnell or Middlebury or something. (I don't have a kid who wants SLAC so I am not that knowledgeable). Why pick a WASP?

Absolutely. Go down a rung and ED might actually help. (Bowdoin is not down a rung.)

Bowdoin’s stats are nearly identical to Middlebury’s. Biggest difference is that Middlebury is much larger.

Latest admissions cycle:
Bowdoin acceptance rate: 6.8%
Middlebury acceptance rate: 13.99%

Bowdoin ED acceptance rate:14.8%
Middlebury ED acceptance rate: 30.5%

Middlebury is more than 50% larger than Bowdoin. If Middlebury had 950 fewer seats to fill, I'm sure they could be as rejective as Bowdoin. In terms of stats, their incoming classes are remarkably similar.

What an insipid remark. If Midd were an entirely different school, it would have the acceptance rate of an entirely different school.

Except they're not that different. In the SLAC world, the universe of people who know about these smaller schools and end up applying to them is quite small compared to larger universities. An increase in size doesn't automatically mean an increase in applicant pool. If applicant size remains about the same and school size increases, guess what also goes up? Acceptance rate. The point is that SAT medians and ACT medians are quite similar for Middlebury and Bowdoin.

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Anonymous wrote:WASPB. LOL. Keep saying it over and over and it might become a thing.

You just did! Thank you.

WASP-B (pronounced like WASPY)

Yes! Let’s go with WASP-B!

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Anonymous wrote:I’d choose Williams or Pomona for their special study abroad and fellowships with Oxford and Cambridge.

Those differences seem like valid reasons for picking one of these dozen or so schools over the others.

They may very well be. But with respect to the Williams program, they live in a house together away from the college. They share a bedroom with another Williams student. Sharing a bedroom is unheard of at Oxbridge; nobody shares a room. They are considered adults.

Pomona students actually live in the college, as far as I know, and live in their single rooms like a real Cambridge student. Just sayin’…

Both sound like wonderful opportunities to go somewhere most people can only dream of.

And one is way better…

I am sure that Haverford appreciates your endorsement.

Huh? Pomona Cambridge program I’d better than Williams Oxford. Does Haverford have a program?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WASPB. LOL. Keep saying it over and over and it might become a thing.

You just did! Thank you.

WASPB
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Anonymous wrote:my DC attends a well-known NYC private - 25 applicants to Williams and Amherst over the last 4 years, with 7 acceptances. 2 Pomona applicants both accepted. Pomona a wonderful school, but doesn’t have the cache with the east coast elite - not do I think the school gives a sht, it’s doing just fine without the east coast strivers who are ivy or bust, then williams/amherst or bust

Meh, Pomona has a ton of east coast people on campus. Maybe there’s space for nuance.

the enrollment is 1700+/- - there’s not a ton of any type of kids there

I think it’s obvious we’re talking relative to an lac.

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https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/pomona-college/student-life/diversity/chart-geographic-breakdown.html