Which colleges are considered top elite in the US?

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

From only twice in 1983-2007. That’s not “always top 10”- not even close.

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The very tippy top college is MIT.

Everyone else - Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton - has diluted their brand with questionable admissions decisions over the past 15 years. From legacy to sports to wealth to an emphasis on diversity. It’s not the best and brightest going to Harvard and Stanford these days.

So really talented students are going elsewhere these days - the T10 to T20 range and honors programs at state colleges. Eventually the prestige thing will catch up.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

From only twice in 1983-2007. That’s not “always top 10”- not even close.

2007 is 17 years ago, 1983 is dinosaur years. In terms of relevant years, yes, it is always top 10.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

Which of the ranking criteria below are DEI initiatives? I'll wait. You have some bizarre agenda.

Indicator

2024 National Universities Weight for Schools With Usable SAT/ACT

2024 National Universities Weight for Schools Without Usable SAT/ACT

2022-2023 Weight

TOTAL

Terminal degree faculty

Student-faculty ratio

Standardized tests

Publications cited in top 5% of journals

Publications cited in top 25% of journals

Pell graduation rates

Pell graduation performance

Peer assessment

High school class standing

Graduation rates

Graduation rate performance

Graduate debt proportion borrowing

Full-time faculty

First-year retention rates

First generation graduation rates

First generation graduation rate performance

Financial resources per student

Field weighted citation impact

Faculty salaries

College grads earning more than a high school grad

Class size

Citations per publication

Borrower debt

Alumni giving average

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

From only twice in 1983-2007. That’s not “always top 10”- not even close.

The quote you responded to was "And Hopkins has regularly been T10"

They never said "Always top 10" - that's something you misinterpreted. And yes, it has been regularly top 10 for the past decade plus.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

The highest proportion demographic at JHU is asian. They're just accepting the best applicants that pass by the admissions office, do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

From only twice in 1983-2007. That’s not “always top 10”- not even close.

The quote you responded to was "And Hopkins has regularly been T10"

They never said "Always top 10" - that's something you misinterpreted. And yes, it has been regularly top 10 for the past decade plus.

Yes when it went super woke and stopped letting white people in. They are 19% only. Bonus points in rankings !!! People fail to see how it was only ranking criteria that changed. If anything, the school had become much less academic/rigorous undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:The very tippy top college is MIT.

Everyone else - Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton - has diluted their brand with questionable admissions decisions over the past 15 years. From legacy to sports to wealth to an emphasis on diversity. It’s not the best and brightest going to Harvard and Stanford these days.

So really talented students are going elsewhere these days - the T10 to T20 range and honors programs at state colleges. Eventually the prestige thing will catch up.

Princetons inclusion is strange. They’re the forefront college who’ve actually tried to combat gpa inflation and have made efforts for college to be more affordable for middle class families. They’re at the top of the chain and gave the lowest transfer acceptance rate for a reason- they have put the work in to make the best, rigorous undergrad experience and haven’t compensated outside of legacy admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:The very tippy top college is MIT.

Everyone else - Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton - has diluted their brand with questionable admissions decisions over the past 15 years. From legacy to sports to wealth to an emphasis on diversity. It’s not the best and brightest going to Harvard and Stanford these days.

So really talented students are going elsewhere these days - the T10 to T20 range and honors programs at state colleges. Eventually the prestige thing will catch up.

Princetons inclusion is strange. They’re the forefront college who’ve actually tried to combat gpa inflation and have made efforts for college to be more affordable for middle class families. They’re at the top of the chain and gave the lowest transfer acceptance rate for a reason- they have put the work in to make the best, rigorous undergrad experience and haven’t compensated outside of legacy admissions.

Princeton interviewer told my son it is their goal to have free tuition in 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:The very tippy top college is MIT.

Everyone else - Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton - has diluted their brand with questionable admissions decisions over the past 15 years. From legacy to sports to wealth to an emphasis on diversity. It’s not the best and brightest going to Harvard and Stanford these days.

So really talented students are going elsewhere these days - the T10 to T20 range and honors programs at state colleges. Eventually the prestige thing will catch up.

Princetons inclusion is strange. They’re the forefront college who’ve actually tried to combat gpa inflation and have made efforts for college to be more affordable for middle class families. They’re at the top of the chain and gave the lowest transfer acceptance rate for a reason- they have put the work in to make the best, rigorous undergrad experience and haven’t compensated outside of legacy admissions.

Princeton interviewer told my kid it is their goal to have free tuition in 10 years.

although I'll admit if I paid $360k a few years before this went into effect it would kill me. Lol

Something needs to be done about the cost of higher education. The Ivies are the best at helping with needs-based aid.

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Anonymous wrote:The very tippy top college is MIT.

Everyone else - Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton - has diluted their brand with questionable admissions decisions over the past 15 years. From legacy to sports to wealth to an emphasis on diversity. It’s not the best and brightest going to Harvard and Stanford these days.

So really talented students are going elsewhere these days - the T10 to T20 range and honors programs at state colleges. Eventually the prestige thing will catch up.

Princetons inclusion is strange. They’re the forefront college who’ve actually tried to combat gpa inflation and have made efforts for college to be more affordable for middle class families. They’re at the top of the chain and gave the lowest transfer acceptance rate for a reason- they have put the work in to make the best, rigorous undergrad experience and haven’t compensated outside of legacy admissions.

Princeton interviewer told my son it is their goal to have free tuition in 10 years.

Are they elitist, 100%, but damn they have really pushed American colleges to improve their aid and transfer processes throughout the years.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

The top10 is the most elite, plus the “bottom” ivies that are almost never in the top 10.

The only Ivies not in top 10 are Cornell and Dartmouth. HYP are always in top 5. Penn is 6. Brown is 9. Columbia is usually there but 12 this year.

Brown is also never in the top 10. This year was a fluke for them. It’s HYPSM, plus Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn in some order.

And Hopkins has regularly been T10. Agree Brown is not but is close, cornell and Dartmouth have always been bottom of the ivies and not T10. Columbia cheated severely for years and especially with the very-different admit criteria for GS, which for years was not included in cds(the whole Cds was never available), so their position in the T10 is very suspicious and they deserve to stay bumped down, more in the 11-13 position with Brown’s normal spot.

AS a Hopkins alum--Hopkins was NEVER in the top 10 until I was in my 40s. I am in my 50s now. People fail to see how much DEI and other initiatives bumped the ratings and a whole bunch of other intiatives.

I believe Brown with a 5% acceptance rate and it's focus on undergrads (one of the best at undergrad teaching and one of the happiest) belongs in the T10 for UNDERGRAD. If we are talking graduate schools, I get it. Another thing to consider is Hopkins is remaining TO--Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford, Yale, Harvard are all bringing tests back. I don't believe any school which is TO belongs in the T10 going forward. The playing field isn't equal when you are comparing scores from 25% who submitted scores (only the highest scores) and schools which are throwing up test averages of 100% students reporting. On that note, Georgetown should also bump on as it has always required scores.

Hopkins 1983-2007 (never cracked the top 10 with a low of 22):

hns Hopkins University 16 11 14 15 11 15 15 22 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16

You literally need to learn to read. It says in your screenshot they were #10 and #7 in 2 years. Zero chance you graduated from Hopkins, likely a reject.

Responding to someone that said they were always top 10. I graduated in 1994. It was a fluke when we cracked the top 10. JHU is only 19% white now. Their DEI initiatives caused the drive up the charts in undergrad rankings.

From only twice in 1983-2007. That’s not “always top 10”- not even close.

The quote you responded to was "And Hopkins has regularly been T10"

They never said "Always top 10" - that's something you misinterpreted. And yes, it has been regularly top 10 for the past decade plus.

Yes when it went super woke and stopped letting white people in. They are 19% only. Bonus points in rankings !!! People fail to see how it was only ranking criteria that changed. If anything, the school had become much less academic/rigorous undergrad.

wtf are you talking about? you’re sounding like biden in the debate tonight