Violence in Kindergarten- Sligo Creek Elementary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s talk about the adults at this school that YELL at him , call him stupid and try to hold him. My kid tells me this and that kid needs more help, let’s not assume what we do not know .

Let’s remember that a child’s retelling of a story is not always exactly accurate and oftentimes can be exaggerated. “Trying to hold him” sounds like blocking or restraining for very obvious safety reasons. School staff members are not hired nor paid enough to be physically assaulted by 5 year olds, or students of any age for that matter. The child needs more support and neither the parents nor principal are seeming to have any urgency on getting them placed somewhere that they will receive that support. It’s very hard to believe any of the teachers at SCES would ever call a child stupid. The safety of the students and staff is priority, and when you have a child as unpredictably violent as this one, sometimes physically removing or blocking the child is the only option to ensure that safety.

Sure, Jan. Just look at the comments from MCPS teachers in threads like these. They're clearly not above yelling at a child and calling him stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What in the holy hell???

OP if this were my child’s kindergarten class, I would become that principals worst nightmare of a parent.

Good luck, y’all. MSM won’t touch this. It’s going on everywhere in public schools. It’s part of their overall agenda. If you truly don’t like it, you had better vote differently next time. Remember when you assumed this crap would never happen in your school? High time to wake up.

Is this agenda in the room with us right now?

It’s M4L nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Silver spring goin silver spring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw obviously nobody is arguing for more white students to be suspended. I mean I think they should be but I'm not one of the people (who aren't here) that you are arguign with. White parents flip out when their children are suspended and they have the time and money to fight the suspensions. MCPS has zero backbone when it comes to rich white moms.

I do agree with you that MCPS absolutely caters to angry white moms to the detriment of everyone else and that's a racial problem we need to confront and address. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

If a kid, white or black, commits an offense worthy of disciplinary consequences, they should face the same consequences. Period.

I had to deal with one of those this year and went full force to take her and her lying, entitled DC down. I don’t think her DC will want to mess with mine again, but if they do, I’m ready.

What exactly did you do?

[Anonymous]

“Cry for help.” CPS should investigate the homes of the kids who are violent in school. One child at my dd’s school was violent and showed no control, beating up kids, swearing in class, hurling chairs and desks. Said teachers contacting his dad didn’t matter. His dad taught him to fight and would take him to McDonalds if he got in trouble.Turns out dad was busted for child porn and soliciting sex from a minor, and he was more than likely a victim.

White. Not poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Cry for help.” CPS should investigate the homes of the kids who are violent in school. One child at my dd’s school was violent and showed no control, beating up kids, swearing in class, hurling chairs and desks. Said teachers contacting his dad didn’t matter. His dad taught him to fight and would take him to McDonalds if he got in trouble.Turns out dad was busted for child porn and soliciting sex from a minor, and he was more than likely a victim.

White. Not poor.

That is truly terrible. Ultimately, though, CPS investigations almost always turn up very little. I’m not saying don’t do them, and I think we can entertain looking at households where children act out, but there is most likely zero legal probably cause in a CPS investigation to uncover much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Cry for help.” CPS should investigate the homes of the kids who are violent in school. One child at my dd’s school was violent and showed no control, beating up kids, swearing in class, hurling chairs and desks. Said teachers contacting his dad didn’t matter. His dad taught him to fight and would take him to McDonalds if he got in trouble.Turns out dad was busted for child porn and soliciting sex from a minor, and he was more than likely a victim.

White. Not poor.

That is truly terrible. Ultimately, though, CPS investigations almost always turn up very little. I’m not saying don’t do them, and I think we can entertain looking at households where children act out, but there is most likely zero legal probably cause in a CPS investigation to uncover much.

I’m going to further clarify here that by act out, I mean violently. Also, by looking at households, I mean a simple likely voluntary interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Cry for help.” CPS should investigate the homes of the kids who are violent in school. One child at my dd’s school was violent and showed no control, beating up kids, swearing in class, hurling chairs and desks. Said teachers contacting his dad didn’t matter. His dad taught him to fight and would take him to McDonalds if he got in trouble.Turns out dad was busted for child porn and soliciting sex from a minor, and he was more than likely a victim.

White. Not poor.

Most of this wouldn't have come up in a CPS investigation.

[Anonymous]

As an admin, let me remind you these “problem children” are protected under laws. Expulsion, suspension and exclusion are absolute last resorts and a lot of documentation and sign-off’s are needed. It rarely happens. Everything is done to keep the child in class, least restrictive environment, and minimizing learning instruction. These protections include ADHD, ED, mental illnesses along with learning disabilities. You might not like it but those children have just as much right as your child to be at school. Having said that, that is why all three of my children are in private schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an admin, let me remind you these “problem children” are protected under laws. Expulsion, suspension and exclusion are absolute last resorts and a lot of documentation and sign-off’s are needed. It rarely happens. Everything is done to keep the child in class, least restrictive environment, and minimizing learning instruction. These protections include ADHD, ED, mental illnesses along with learning disabilities. You might not like it but those children have just as much right as your child to be at school. Having said that, that is why all three of my children are in private schools.

This really sums it up. So many administrators aren't going to help teachers and will watch as teachers are assaulted over and over again and are fine that kids are witnessing violence every day that really affects them. Students aren't feeling safe at school. The least restrictive environment is different for every student who is in special education. It is the least restrictive environment WHENEVER POSSIBLE that works for the student to receive educational benefit and keep everyone safe. The law states "...special classes, separate schooling or other removal of children with disabilities from the regular educational environment occurs only when the nature or severity of the disability of a child is such that education in regular classes with the use of supplementary aids and services cannot be achieved satisfactorily.”

[20 U.S.C. Sec. 1412(a)(5)(A); 34 C.F.R. Sec. 300.114; Cal. Ed. Code Sec. 56342(b).]

A student who is incredibly violent in a general education classroom shouldn't be in a general education classroom because it is not the least restrictive environment for that student because it cannot be achieved satisfactorily. Some students just can't cope with being with 20 to 25 other kids in a class and need to be in a class with 8 students where they are working on emotional regulation. A good administrator does everything in his or her power to make this happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an admin, let me remind you these “problem children” are protected under laws. Expulsion, suspension and exclusion are absolute last resorts and a lot of documentation and sign-off’s are needed. It rarely happens. Everything is done to keep the child in class, least restrictive environment, and minimizing learning instruction. These protections include ADHD, ED, mental illnesses along with learning disabilities. You might not like it but those children have just as much right as your child to be at school. Having said that, that is why all three of my children are in private schools.

LMAO!

Wow. I guess at least you're honest? Sucks for the rest of us who'd like your kids and teachers to not be assaulted or traumatized in school everyday. But hey, at least your kids are good!!

[Anonymous]

My kids went to SCES many years ago, but I am really surprised by these reactions. Why don't you all organize yourselves and actually do something to help. There may be an issue with the principle, but clearly more support for the teachers in the classroom is needed. You all are supposed to be a community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids went to SCES many years ago, but I am really surprised by these reactions. Why don't you all organize yourselves and actually do something to help. There may be an issue with the principle, but clearly more support for the teachers in the classroom is needed. You all are supposed to be a community.

So volunteers should be used to solve critical operational gaps? Have you lost your mind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids went to SCES many years ago, but I am really surprised by these reactions. Why don't you all organize yourselves and actually do something to help. There may be an issue with the principle, but clearly more support for the teachers in the classroom is needed. You all are supposed to be a community.

The only thing a parent volunteer could do is engage the other 24 kids in the class, or some subsection of them. Letting an untrained parent interact with a child who has already driven one teacher out of the profession, and hospitalized another, is a terrible idea and absolutely rife for litigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an admin, let me remind you these “problem children” are protected under laws. Expulsion, suspension and exclusion are absolute last resorts and a lot of documentation and sign-off’s are needed. It rarely happens. Everything is done to keep the child in class, least restrictive environment, and minimizing learning instruction. These protections include ADHD, ED, mental illnesses along with learning disabilities. You might not like it but those children have just as much right as your child to be at school. Having said that, that is why all three of my children are in private schools.

This really sums it up. So many administrators aren't going to help teachers and will watch as teachers are assaulted over and over again and are fine that kids are witnessing violence every day that really affects them. Students aren't feeling safe at school. The least restrictive environment is different for every student who is in special education. It is the least restrictive environment WHENEVER POSSIBLE that works for the student to receive educational benefit and keep everyone safe. The law states "...special classes, separate schooling or other removal of children with disabilities from the regular educational environment occurs only when the nature or severity of the disability of a child is such that education in regular classes with the use of supplementary aids and services cannot be achieved satisfactorily.”

[20 U.S.C. Sec. 1412(a)(5)(A); 34 C.F.R. Sec. 300.114; Cal. Ed. Code Sec. 56342(b).]

A student who is incredibly violent in a general education classroom shouldn't be in a general education classroom because it is not the least restrictive environment for that student because it cannot be achieved satisfactorily. Some students just can't cope with being with 20 to 25 other kids in a class and need to be in a class with 8 students where they are working on emotional regulation. A good administrator does everything in his or her power to make this happen.

The key phrase there is "such that education in regular classes with the use of supplementary aids and services cannot be achieved satisfactorily."

The issue is that MCPS doesn't want to provide those supplementary aids and services. So even if you can find a principal who wants to get rid of a kid, it is going to be pretty easy for the parents to challenge an alternative placement until they've been provided and failed.