Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it dragged a little tbh.

Also, and this really bothered me: giant corporations don’t have to all of a sudden draft a statement when their old CEO dies. You don’t think Fox News has a very clear plan for what happens if Rupert Murdoch dies in a bathroom? Of course they do! The idea that anyone would be scrambling or improvising made no sense.

The scene with Kerry was the best scene. Both on the plane and getting into the car.

This actually rang true to me. The whole point of the show is that Logan wouldn’t admit to himself that he would ever die and couldn’t bring himself to do proper succession planning (even after almost dying in the first episode). If it ever came to Logan’s attention that someone else was making plans for what happened after his demise, it would be the end for them. Everyone at the company had to participate in his delusion that he was immortal. The first episode of this season, in the conversation with Colin, was the first inkling that he was actually considering his own mortality.

Yes, agree. For a normal company, it would be unheard of to not have any plans in place. But Logan was delusional that he was immortal. The only question I have about that (not a business expert) is - obviously, with a family owned private business, he could or not do whatever planning he wanted. But aren’t they a publicly traded company with a board and associated accountability? In that case, I do think he would have been forced to not leave it all open. I wonder if his will will similarly cause a lot of issues.

They're a publicly traded company. Towards the end of the show Roman shows the stock price on his phone.

Logan doesn't get to pick in his will who his his successor, the board does. So it is important who controls the board votes.

I know Logan doesn’t get to pick. But he can leave his shares to an heir, which can tilt the balance of power on the board.

I believe Gerri was the successor CEO on paper based on earlier episodes/seasons, but I assume the board meeting that was referred to in this episode is to tee up the process for choosing a new CEO.

I predicted earlier that I think Logan left his shares to Marcia, probably by virtue of not changing his will after his stroke, so I think it's going to be an epic fight.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it dragged a little tbh.

Also, and this really bothered me: giant corporations don’t have to all of a sudden draft a statement when their old CEO dies. You don’t think Fox News has a very clear plan for what happens if Rupert Murdoch dies in a bathroom? Of course they do! The idea that anyone would be scrambling or improvising made no sense.

The scene with Kerry was the best scene. Both on the plane and getting into the car.

This actually rang true to me. The whole point of the show is that Logan wouldn’t admit to himself that he would ever die and couldn’t bring himself to do proper succession planning (even after almost dying in the first episode). If it ever came to Logan’s attention that someone else was making plans for what happened after his demise, it would be the end for them. Everyone at the company had to participate in his delusion that he was immortal. The first episode of this season, in the conversation with Colin, was the first inkling that he was actually considering his own mortality.

Yes, agree. For a normal company, it would be unheard of to not have any plans in place. But Logan was delusional that he was immortal. The only question I have about that (not a business expert) is - obviously, with a family owned private business, he could or not do whatever planning he wanted. But aren’t they a publicly traded company with a board and associated accountability? In that case, I do think he would have been forced to not leave it all open. I wonder if his will will similarly cause a lot of issues.

They're a publicly traded company. Towards the end of the show Roman shows the stock price on his phone.

Logan doesn't get to pick in his will who his his successor, the board does. So it is important who controls the board votes.

I know Logan doesn’t get to pick. But he can leave his shares to an heir, which can tilt the balance of power on the board.

I believe Gerri was the successor CEO on paper based on earlier episodes/seasons, but I assume the board meeting that was referred to in this episode is to tee up the process for choosing a new CEO.

I predicted earlier that I think Logan left his shares to Marcia, probably by virtue of not changing his will after his stroke, so I think it's going to be an epic fight.

I do think Marcia will absolutely have significant shares and will be a huge fly in the ointment in the fight over control.

BUT I do not think Logan's will leaves all his shares to Marcia. She was his third wife. I think more likely, she negotiated shares during their split (I know they are still married but I mean the negotiation at the end of last season that got her out of his hair so he could do whatever with Kerry) and she will leverage them for all their worth. But I also think the kids will get shares (and possibly not in equal amounts) and potentially some other wild cards (Kerry? Tom? Frank? there's a lot of batshit stuff Logan might have done).

I definitely think we will see some moments of Logan reaching from the grave to screw over his family and friends with choices he made regarding his will and his shares. There's this theme emerging of freedom and independence for the kids, and how Logan's death could in theory facilitate that, but this family has all kinds of unhealthy interdependence and no way is that going to disappear overnight. Stuff is going to happen that ties people to each other uncomfortably (like maybe Shiv reconciling with Tom in large part to control any shares Logan left him, or the kids aligning with Marcia to fend off Kerry, or Roman making a deal with Gerri using the shares Logan leaves him, etc.) and people will struggle for true independence. The only true freedom is to walk away from it all, and none of them, including Connor, has proven themselves strong enough to do that yet.

I also think there's some likelihood of a classic "which will?" escapade in which Kerry plays an annoyingly large role. She was deeply involved in Logan's personal and professional life for the last year or so -- what are the odds that she suggested a will revision or got herself involved in a will revision? I think pretty decent. Nothing like a will signed (or drafted but not signed, or signed but not notarized) a couple months before death that disowns your kids and leaves a bunch of money to your mistress -- it's happened more than once.

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Anonymous wrote:Remind me who is Collin?

Logan's best friend

His body guard/driver. The guy he went to the diner with during his birthday party.

Yep and it was at that dinner Logan told Collin he was his best friend. So sad, so awkward...

[Anonymous]

^ meant to say "the kids aligning with Marcia to fend off the board", though if Logan left shares to Kerry I could also see the kids and Marcia making strange bedfellows to challenge a revised will.

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The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

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Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

I thought I saw her in the trailer?

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Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

I thought I saw her in the trailer?

It's not listed on her IMBD or on the show's IMBD but I'm not expert.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7660850/

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Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

That's really not definitive.

Also, a plot point like Maria having significant shares does not necessarily mean that Marcia is in a bunch of scenes. It could play out like: kids learn of Marcia's shares when will is read or from Logan's estate lawyer, there are conversations about her but she's not talking to anyone, then she shows up for a single board vote.

I'll be interested to see if they do an episode around Logan's funeral or not. If yes, will be hard not to pull in characters like Marcia, Kerry, the kid's mom because it's hard to imagine them not being there and, if there, not interacting with the kids. But I could also see the show pointedly not really showing the funeral, just referencing it, and focusing instead on stuff like the board vote and a succession fight, because it supports this theme they have where the business activity is always central and weddings/funerals/birthdays/family events are always secondary.

If they stay laser-focused on the board vote and who becomes CEO, there are fewer characters who might pop up. Though I still think Marcia and Kerry could show up in some capacity, and we'll be seeing Greg's dad either way, right?

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Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

I thought I saw her in the trailer?

It's not listed on her IMBD or on the show's IMBD but I'm not expert.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7660850/

The credits are still largely incomplete. We know that Stewie, for example will show up again based on the previews, but he's not listed in any more Season 4 episodes. I didn't see Justin Kirk listed either, and we know he'll show up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

That's really not definitive.

Also, a plot point like Maria having significant shares does not necessarily mean that Marcia is in a bunch of scenes. It could play out like: kids learn of Marcia's shares when will is read or from Logan's estate lawyer, there are conversations about her but she's not talking to anyone, then she shows up for a single board vote.

I'll be interested to see if they do an episode around Logan's funeral or not. If yes, will be hard not to pull in characters like Marcia, Kerry, the kid's mom because it's hard to imagine them not being there and, if there, not interacting with the kids. But I could also see the show pointedly not really showing the funeral, just referencing it, and focusing instead on stuff like the board vote and a succession fight, because it supports this theme they have where the business activity is always central and weddings/funerals/birthdays/family events are always secondary.

If they stay laser-focused on the board vote and who becomes CEO, there are fewer characters who might pop up. Though I still think Marcia and Kerry could show up in some capacity, and we'll be seeing Greg's dad either way, right?

We've never seen Greg's dad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

That's really not definitive.

Also, a plot point like Maria having significant shares does not necessarily mean that Marcia is in a bunch of scenes. It could play out like: kids learn of Marcia's shares when will is read or from Logan's estate lawyer, there are conversations about her but she's not talking to anyone, then she shows up for a single board vote.

I'll be interested to see if they do an episode around Logan's funeral or not. If yes, will be hard not to pull in characters like Marcia, Kerry, the kid's mom because it's hard to imagine them not being there and, if there, not interacting with the kids. But I could also see the show pointedly not really showing the funeral, just referencing it, and focusing instead on stuff like the board vote and a succession fight, because it supports this theme they have where the business activity is always central and weddings/funerals/birthdays/family events are always secondary.

If they stay laser-focused on the board vote and who becomes CEO, there are fewer characters who might pop up. Though I still think Marcia and Kerry could show up in some capacity, and we'll be seeing Greg's dad either way, right?

We've never seen Greg's dad.

Maybe they mean his Grandfather? Greg's mother is the relevant connection to the Roy family (who we also have never seen.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

That's really not definitive.

Also, a plot point like Maria having significant shares does not necessarily mean that Marcia is in a bunch of scenes. It could play out like: kids learn of Marcia's shares when will is read or from Logan's estate lawyer, there are conversations about her but she's not talking to anyone, then she shows up for a single board vote.

I'll be interested to see if they do an episode around Logan's funeral or not. If yes, will be hard not to pull in characters like Marcia, Kerry, the kid's mom because it's hard to imagine them not being there and, if there, not interacting with the kids. But I could also see the show pointedly not really showing the funeral, just referencing it, and focusing instead on stuff like the board vote and a succession fight, because it supports this theme they have where the business activity is always central and weddings/funerals/birthdays/family events are always secondary.

If they stay laser-focused on the board vote and who becomes CEO, there are fewer characters who might pop up. Though I still think Marcia and Kerry could show up in some capacity, and we'll be seeing Greg's dad either way, right?

We've never seen Greg's dad.

Maybe they mean his Grandfather? Greg's mother is the relevant connection to the Roy family (who we also have never seen.)

She's in the very first episode. She's the one that tells Greg to go to Logan to ask for a job after she refuses to give him more money.

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Wasn't there a big blowup last season where Logan wanted to give more shares (2x?) to Marsha?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

I thought I saw her in the trailer?

It's not listed on her IMBD or on the show's IMBD but I'm not expert.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7660850/

The credits are still largely incomplete. We know that Stewie, for example will show up again based on the previews, but he's not listed in any more Season 4 episodes. I didn't see Justin Kirk listed either, and we know he'll show up.

Those aren’t updated beforehand all the time. They don’t want to spoil things. What would people predict if every time a character died or reappeared, they were/weren’t on the cast list?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actress that plays Marcia does not have this season listed on her IMBD.

That's really not definitive.

Also, a plot point like Maria having significant shares does not necessarily mean that Marcia is in a bunch of scenes. It could play out like: kids learn of Marcia's shares when will is read or from Logan's estate lawyer, there are conversations about her but she's not talking to anyone, then she shows up for a single board vote.

I'll be interested to see if they do an episode around Logan's funeral or not. If yes, will be hard not to pull in characters like Marcia, Kerry, the kid's mom because it's hard to imagine them not being there and, if there, not interacting with the kids. But I could also see the show pointedly not really showing the funeral, just referencing it, and focusing instead on stuff like the board vote and a succession fight, because it supports this theme they have where the business activity is always central and weddings/funerals/birthdays/family events are always secondary.

If they stay laser-focused on the board vote and who becomes CEO, there are fewer characters who might pop up. Though I still think Marcia and Kerry could show up in some capacity, and we'll be seeing Greg's dad either way, right?

We've never seen Greg's dad.

Maybe they mean his Grandfather? Greg's mother is the relevant connection to the Roy family (who we also have never seen.)

She's in the very first episode. She's the one that tells Greg to go to Logan to ask for a job after she refuses to give him more money.

She has money issues too though. Greg had to cancel her credit card after Kendall’s shakeup in beginning of season 3. He is over sharing to Comfrey about it.