Please don't ride your bike on busy streets after dark

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Bicyclists recently killed in the DC area include:

a 65-year-old grandfather in DC, when a construction truck turned right across his path
a 70-year-old man in DC, by a driver having a medical emergency (the driver also killed a pedestrian on the sidewalk)
a Chinese immigrant in Montgomery County, when a dump truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in Montgomery County, when a flatbed truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in DC when a concrete truck turned right across her path
a grandmother who used her bicycle for her ice-cream business, by a drunk driver
a 24-year-old in Fairfax, while she was in a crosswalk

So please take your bigotry and go crawl in a hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Looks like NDD’s ban has expired.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Bicyclists recently killed in the DC area include:

a 65-year-old grandfather in DC, when a construction truck turned right across his path
a 70-year-old man in DC, by a driver having a medical emergency (the driver also killed a pedestrian on the sidewalk)
a Chinese immigrant in Montgomery County, when a dump truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in Montgomery County, when a flatbed truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in DC when a concrete truck turned right across her path
a grandmother who used her bicycle for her ice-cream business, by a drunk driver
a 24-year-old in Fairfax, while she was in a crosswalk

So please take your bigotry and go crawl in a hole.

I wish WABA did more to publicly document these deaths. We need an ongoing record of these accidents to push back against the nonsense that protected bike lanes aren’t needed and that the victims deserve the blame.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Bicyclists recently killed in the DC area include:

a 65-year-old grandfather in DC, when a construction truck turned right across his path
a 70-year-old man in DC, by a driver having a medical emergency (the driver also killed a pedestrian on the sidewalk)
a Chinese immigrant in Montgomery County, when a dump truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in Montgomery County, when a flatbed truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in DC when a concrete truck turned right across her path
a grandmother who used her bicycle for her ice-cream business, by a drunk driver
a 24-year-old in Fairfax, while she was in a crosswalk

So please take your bigotry and go crawl in a hole.

This is so sad. As a cyclist I hope I'm already careful about looking out for cars and trucks turning right, but given these examples with a clear pattern, I need to be even more so.

(Obligatory "and so do drivers," because it's their responsibility not to turn directly into another vehicle on the road, even a bike, and the cyclists killed above were not at fault.)

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This is so sad. As a cyclist I hope I'm already careful about looking out for cars and trucks turning right, but given these examples with a clear pattern, I need to be even more so.

(Obligatory "and so do drivers," because it's their responsibility not to turn directly into another vehicle on the road, even a bike, and the cyclists killed above were not at fault.)

Yeah, but the problem is that, as a human, it's not possible for you to be 100% aware, 100% of the time. That's true whether you're walking, or biking, or driving, or anything-ing. Which is why we need safe vehicles (for example, underride guards and blind-spot elimination on trucks) and safe, protected bike infrastructure.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Bicyclists recently killed in the DC area include:

a 65-year-old grandfather in DC, when a construction truck turned right across his path
a 70-year-old man in DC, by a driver having a medical emergency (the driver also killed a pedestrian on the sidewalk)
a Chinese immigrant in Montgomery County, when a dump truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in Montgomery County, when a flatbed truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in DC when a concrete truck turned right across her path
a grandmother who used her bicycle for her ice-cream business, by a drunk driver
a 24-year-old in Fairfax, while she was in a crosswalk

So please take your bigotry and go crawl in a hole.

I wish WABA did more to publicly document these deaths. We need an ongoing record of these accidents to push back against the nonsense that protected bike lanes aren’t needed and that the victims deserve the blame.

I fail to see how passing a vehicle on the right while that vehicle is slowing down to make a right turn - and will make that turn within seconds - is anyone’s fault but the operator of the vehicle or bike doing the passing on the right.

There’s a reason passing on the right is prohibited in many places, although it’s not typically enforced. Because passing on the right leads to stuff like this.

It you’re in a car, and driving in what would normally be a parking lane right next to the curb - but at the moment is free of cars - and someone in a right travel lane is slowing and preparing to make a right turn - and you try and pass them and they turn into to you in the process - you’ll be charged. That’s why passing on the right isn’t allowed. Because it’s dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

F = ma except for when it applies to bicyclists vs. drivers, because spandex, or something.

The rule is that whatever a cyclist runs into it is that other things fault. Check how often they fault “bad infrastructure” for their unsafe behavior.

If it were a rule, drivers would find a way to break it.

Cyclists already have.

Bicyclists recently killed in the DC area include:

a 65-year-old grandfather in DC, when a construction truck turned right across his path
a 70-year-old man in DC, by a driver having a medical emergency (the driver also killed a pedestrian on the sidewalk)
a Chinese immigrant in Montgomery County, when a dump truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in Montgomery County, when a flatbed truck turned right across her path
a US diplomat in DC when a concrete truck turned right across her path
a grandmother who used her bicycle for her ice-cream business, by a drunk driver
a 24-year-old in Fairfax, while she was in a crosswalk

So please take your bigotry and go crawl in a hole.

I wish WABA did more to publicly document these deaths. We need an ongoing record of these accidents to push back against the nonsense that protected bike lanes aren’t needed and that the victims deserve the blame.

I fail to see how passing a vehicle on the right while that vehicle is slowing down to make a right turn - and will make that turn within seconds - is anyone’s fault but the operator of the vehicle or bike doing the passing on the right.

There’s a reason passing on the right is prohibited in many places, although it’s not typically enforced. Because passing on the right leads to stuff like this.

It you’re in a car, and driving in what would normally be a parking lane right next to the curb - but at the moment is free of cars - and someone in a right travel lane is slowing and preparing to make a right turn - and you try and pass them and they turn into to you in the process - you’ll be charged. That’s why passing on the right isn’t allowed. Because it’s dangerous.

You can discuss your opinions with the DOTs who build bike lanes and sidewalks to the right of drivers who are turning right.

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This is a hilarious thread. No driver actually gives a shit if they hit you because there are zero consequences.

I could mow down a mom of three biking to her non profit and nothing would happen. Nada.

My advice to cyclists is take that knowledge and use it to protect yourself. Obey the rules of the road, be predictable and be visible.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a hilarious thread. No driver actually gives a shit if they hit you because there are zero consequences.

I could mow down a mom of three biking to her non profit and nothing would happen. Nada.

My advice to cyclists is take that knowledge and use it to protect yourself. Obey the rules of the road, be predictable and be visible.

Unfortunately, none of these things protect people while they're bicycling. I'm not even sure they reduce the risk in a meaningful way. Certainly "obey the rules of the road" does not - even assuming we're talking about the actual rules of the road, and not the "rules of the road" that some drivers imagine in their heads.

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Anonymous wrote:Bike, but please do not wear all black with no reflective gear or good/ prominent lighting on bike.
Same goes for people who walk in all black with no reflective gear and they just pop out of nowhere.
And it doesn’t matter where the location is.

People don't "pop out of nowhere", except in the perceptions of people who are driving too fast for the conditions. The faster you drive, the more your peripheral vision narrows. And you also need to drive more slowly at night.

The same also applies to cyclists, who have longer breaking distance than cars going the same speed which means that they should be even more careful.

Absolutely. Everybody (bicyclists and drivers) should limit their speeds to 12 mph or less at night.

Except that cars have a shorter braking distance than bicycles. If bicycles cannot stop in time to avoid a collision then they were going too fast. Not the tree, parked car, pedestrian, or other road users.

Waiting for the data about trees, parked cars, and pedestrians injured or killed by people bicycling too fast for conditions in the dark.

I am not sure what data you need for you to understand basic principles like if you crash into an inanimate object because you cannot stop you are going too fast or if you hit someone or something else because you cannot stop in time, you are also going too fast. But you’re probably the same person who refuses to wear a reflective vest to increase safety. So you seem a bit thick.

That's not necessarily true -- you could be going at a perfectly safe speed but then have to swerve into an inanimate object to avoid hitting something else (like a person or a car) that suddenly walked or drove into your path. Personally, I'd rather crash my bike into a tree or whatever than hit a pedestrian who stepped off the curb in front of me. And depending on how close they were when they did something like that, it might be too hard to stop no matter what speed you were going.

Also, with bikes, it's entirely possible to be capable of coming to a complete stop in time and then still fall off your bike because you (a) fly over the handlebars or (b) can't get a foot down to keep your balance upon stopping suddenly. Again, personally, as long as no one else is injured in such a situation, I'd consider that a better outcome than hitting someone.

[Anonymous]

Everyone: Cyclists please safe at night and wear bright clothing and reflective vests.

Cyclists: No. Not only will I not do that, if I die its your fault.