How will DCPS elementary schools be in person 5 days/week if little kids are not vaccinated?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it is fully open in the fall and I hope restrictions on cohorts in daycares is lifted as well because right now the teachers with young kids at my school are panicking about how they can get to work when daycares are opening at 8 or 8:30.

I hate to break it to you, but I am a center director and even once cohort restrictions are lifted we are having so much difficulty filling positions (and we are a center that pays higher than average and offers great benefits) that we will still likely not be able to fully reopen.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

I’m afraid that in this current environment of Covid hysteria they can justify anything.

[Anonymous]

if you send your kid to school during flu season, I fail to see how you won't in the fall just because of COVID. For adults who aren't vaccinated? At that point, it's their problem if they get it bc they had an opportunity to be vaccinated and didn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope it is fully open in the fall and I hope restrictions on cohorts in daycares is lifted as well because right now the teachers with young kids at my school are panicking about how they can get to work when daycares are opening at 8 or 8:30.

I hate to break it to you, but I am a center director and even once cohort restrictions are lifted we are having so much difficulty filling positions (and we are a center that pays higher than average and offers great benefits) that we will still likely not be able to fully reopen.

I can totally understand that. I assume many employers will still have to be a bit flexible given this reality of childcare availability and options.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

I’m afraid that in this current environment of Covid hysteria they can justify anything.

I fear you might be right. There's so much political pressure from both sides, the FDA might not be able to be objective.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

I’m afraid that in this current environment of Covid hysteria they can justify anything.

I fear you might be right. There's so much political pressure from both sides, the FDA might not be able to be objective.

Where is the political pressure not to approve this coming from?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

I’m afraid that in this current environment of Covid hysteria they can justify anything.

I fear you might be right. There's so much political pressure from both sides, the FDA might not be able to be objective.

Where is the political pressure not to approve this coming from?

It's not so much pressure not to approve it, but the question of whether we even need to bother to vaccinate young kids against covid. In the hysterical climate around covid, I have a tough time believing that the FDA can remain honest. Anyone who says anything negative about "the science" is immediately labeled an anti-vaxxer or Trump supporter.

Think of it this way- if covid had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e., no effect or a mild illness), would we have even bothered to spend money on a vaccine? Of course not. So, why bother vaccinating kids if the vaccines provide so little benefit to kids and the population as a whole?

[Anonymous]

Vaccinating children will help keep any circulating virus at bay. This will help any children not get sick but also protect the members of our society who are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed. It will save lives.

I hope that people can see beyond their own families at this point after living through this past year. There is no serious cause for concern with these vaccines. They will be approved if they are as safe as they appear. Even the question of heart inflammation is not known to be above what would otherwise be expected in the general population.

Please, if you have any reservations about vaccinating your children, speak directly to a trusted healthcare provider and do not just read internet trolls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about your child's health. It will be back to normal with no distancing and probably no masks.

No as long as making is a DC requirement it will be a requirement in schools. We care about your child's health and the health of staff members, especially ones who are unable to get vaccinated due to medical reasons.

They also have not dropped the 3ft. Why are you giving false info??

I mean all those things MIGHT happen but as of today it's still in place. They have stated they plan for full IPL but have not stated if it will be 5 days a week and no regular half days.

Be prepared for parents to freak out, harass you and your kid for wearing masks, and then incoherently rant about lazy teachers and ever-powerful WTU cabal.

[Anonymous]

You heard it here first....masks WILL BE REQUIRED next school year.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you misunderstand how vaccines are used as a public health tool. They are supposed to drive down community transition , not ensure that each and every individual is protected from a disease. And they are doing a great job. As pp’s have noted, community transmission is almost nil in parts of our region. Any further rules and measures should be driven by community transmission rates.

In less than a month, there will be no rational, logical reason to keep any remaining measures in place. By the time school starts in the fall, there won't even be a need to require kids to be vaccinated.

Exactly. Many doubt that the vaccine will ever be approved for little kids because the risk of vaccinating kids may quickly become greater than any risk they have from Covid.

Let's say the risk of them dying from Covid becomes 1:2,000,000. The risk of them dying from Covid vaccination could be 1:1,000,000. The FDA is not going to approve this.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

What medical professionals doubt the vaccine will be approved?

I work in vaccine research and many of us doubt that it will end up being approved because the risk-benefit analysis may never support it if there is no longer much Covid in the community.

To date, only 159 kids have died from Covid. That is with Covid circulating at incredibly high levels in the community. If you start vaccinating kids en masse, you are going to have a few deaths from weird stuff that crops up from
the vaccine (weird stuff happens if you give ANY drug to a large enough population). Why would we potentially harm a few kids to "save" the others from will very soon be an infinitesimally low risk to children (as the virus level continue to fall)
That is what the FDA will have to figure out and what makes this a very complex issue.

I am a pro-vaccine as a human can get but I'm not to going vaccinate my kid from a benign condition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/19/health-202-coronavirus-vaccines-adults-teens-are-obvious-not-so-younger-kids/

This is an interesting point. Vaccine side effects are very low, but if covid is less dangerous to kids, statistically, than the side effects from the vaccine, how would you justify giving the vaccine to kids?

I wonder if there's any other disease/vaccine combo out there that falls into this category?

I’m afraid that in this current environment of Covid hysteria they can justify anything.

I fear you might be right. There's so much political pressure from both sides, the FDA might not be able to be objective.

Where is the political pressure not to approve this coming from?

It's not so much pressure not to approve it, but the question of whether we even need to bother to vaccinate young kids against covid. In the hysterical climate around covid, I have a tough time believing that the FDA can remain honest. Anyone who says anything negative about "the science" is immediately labeled an anti-vaxxer or Trump supporter.

Think of it this way- if covid had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e., no effect or a mild illness), would we have even bothered to spend money on a vaccine? Of course not. So, why bother vaccinating kids if the vaccines provide so little benefit to kids and the population as a whole?

PP here, and I completely agree. There is absolutely political pressure to treat Covid as a grave threat to everybody, and therefore to approve a vaccine even for the youngest kids, even under an EUA, despite the fact that the actual risk to them is extremely low. But I was asking about political pressure from the other side, since you said there is pressure from both sides. Trump is thankfully not in power anymore and neither is his party, so I'm not sure if there is really still political pressure from "both sides".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating children will help keep any circulating virus at bay. This will help any children not get sick but also protect the members of our society who are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed. It will save lives.

I hope that people can see beyond their own families at this point after living through this past year. There is no serious cause for concern with these vaccines. They will be approved if they are as safe as they appear. Even the question of heart inflammation is not known to be above what would otherwise be expected in the general population.

Please, if you have any reservations about vaccinating your children, speak directly to a trusted healthcare provider and do not just read internet trolls.

Honestly, after this year of closed schools and cancelled activities, I'm done with kids making any sacrifices for the elderly and vulnerable. They have done enough already, and nobody has given a sh*t about their own vulnerabilities.

I will vaccinate my young kids when I am convinced that the benefit outweighs the risk for them. I am not an anti-vaxxer, I went out of my way to get the Covid vaccine myself as soon as possible, and my kids are vaccinated on CDC schedule. I don't listen to internet trolls, I will talk to their pediatrician and evaluate the data. But surely they will not be among the first ones to take the shot under an EUA.

[Anonymous]

To the 'no masks parent'
Looks like masks are required for next school year.

https://dcpsreopenstrong.com/sy21-22/

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinating children will help keep any circulating virus at bay. This will help any children not get sick but also protect the members of our society who are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed. It will save lives.

I hope that people can see beyond their own families at this point after living through this past year. There is no serious cause for concern with these vaccines. They will be approved if they are as safe as they appear. Even the question of heart inflammation is not known to be above what would otherwise be expected in the general population.

Please, if you have any reservations about vaccinating your children, speak directly to a trusted healthcare provider and do not just read internet trolls.

that’s untrue. at this point the risk of being hospitalized from the vaccine may be greater than risk of covid.