Question about cuts

[Anonymous]

No. A coach has a duty to coach the kids on their team. Period. This is what is wrong with travel soccer. Too many coaches loyal to themselves or their club or their reputation vs. serving their paying customers. You should not get into youth coaching to: make a profit; feed your ego; “get wins”. You should get into coaching to: teach kids how to play the game; help kids mature and grow as people; and when relevant help a kid get to the next level of play.


I agree with this, but realistically, I can also see why he would invest more energy in kids that are staying with the club. I have no idea why your daughter told him she was leaving. That wasn't necessary or helpful to her. They can always fill her spot at tryout time - not trying out tells them the information that they need to know at that point.
You can at least make it a teachable moment. Put your two weeks notice in, see the rest of the season out, don’t burn your bridge and move on. Grass is not always greener on the other side. Sometimes it is. But you always can come back across that bridge if its no burned down.

It's not a job, they don't need two weeks notice. At the tryouts, they are looking to see if anyone is better than your kid anyway. It's good to leave on a positive note (not trashing the club, saying that you appreciate what your coach and the club did for you), but it is not required to give a certain amount of notice in advance of the tryout that your child will not be attending. At the end of the day, while it is great to be polite, the club's interest is in what is best for the club, not your kid as an individual.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.

On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.

What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.

If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.

Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.

Not always. Both our keepers were cut and replaced by a shiny new snowflake. They could decide to be a$$hats and not show up or do the right thing. If they don’t show, there is literally no one with any experience who could fill for the tournaments they have scheduled. It isn’t always that other kids can jump right in - it depends on level and position.

Why is showing the right thing? If that was my kid, I’d have them reach out to the other keeper to see if the want to hang out on Saturday. Let the coach find out when no keeper shows and they need to toss a penny on someone

Trust me, I understand and am struggling with this, however, there are 17 other kids who have worked their butts off and deserve to have the chance to play this weekend. If my son and the other keeper do not show, the coach may be upset but it is the kids who don't get to play.

I also recognize my son didn't work as hard as he should have this season - that isn't the coach's fault. Someone who may have worked harder got his spot. It is a tough lesson for him but hopefully a lesson - again, not the rest of the team's fault and they shouldn't have to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

[Anonymous]

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No. A coach has a duty to coach the kids on their team. Period. This is what is wrong with travel soccer. Too many coaches loyal to themselves or their club or their reputation vs. serving their paying customers. You should not get into youth coaching to: make a profit; feed your ego; “get wins”. You should get into coaching to: teach kids how to play the game; help kids mature and grow as people; and when relevant help a kid get to the next level of play.


I agree with this, but realistically, I can also see why he would invest more energy in kids that are staying with the club. I have no idea why your daughter told him she was leaving. That wasn't necessary or helpful to her. They can always fill her spot at tryout time - not trying out tells them the information that they need to know at that point.
You can at least make it a teachable moment. Put your two weeks notice in, see the rest of the season out, don’t burn your bridge and move on. Grass is not always greener on the other side. Sometimes it is. But you always can come back across that bridge if its no burned down.

It's not a job, they don't need two weeks notice. At the tryouts, they are looking to see if anyone is better than your kid anyway. It's good to leave on a positive note (not trashing the club, saying that you appreciate what your coach and the club did for you), but it is not required to give a certain amount of notice in advance of the tryout that your child will not be attending. At the end of the day, while it is great to be polite, the club's interest is in what is best for the club, not your kid as an individual.

This may be true for some clubs and some coaches but DD's friend gave a club a lot of notice she was looking around and it was fine. The coach had helped train her for 2 years and was supportive. It is not a big club so they are more about personal relationships than about thinking of kids as bags of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids who get cut or get rejection letters not so up for Memorial Day tournaments? or finish out the season?
Would like to hear any experiences you've had dealing with this and what clubs?

Kids get placed at different team levels throughout their playing career. Being placed on the B team is not "cut". Being cut means there is no spot for you on the team or at the club.

If your kid got placed on a lower level team or did not get promoted your player was not "cut". If this is the actual scenario I would not recommend having a temper tantrum over that.

If your kid did not make ANY team at the current club then THAT would be different.

Sorry but if you were on the A team and got an offer for the B team....that's being cut. You really shouldn't soften it for your kid unless he's like 5 maybe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids who get cut or get rejection letters not so up for Memorial Day tournaments? or finish out the season?
Would like to hear any experiences you've had dealing with this and what clubs?

Kids get placed at different team levels throughout their playing career. Being placed on the B team is not "cut". Being cut means there is no spot for you on the team or at the club.

If your kid got placed on a lower level team or did not get promoted your player was not "cut". If this is the actual scenario I would not recommend having a temper tantrum over that.

If your kid did not make ANY team at the current club then THAT would be different.

Sorry but if you were on the A team and got an offer for the B team....that's being cut. You really shouldn't soften it for your kid unless he's like 5 maybe.

No it isn't the same as being cut, especially at small sided ages.

If your kid was not getting significant minutes during the season then this should not have been a surprise. Put your ego aside and welcome the opportunity for your kid gain significant playing time. Find out where he/she needs to improve and work on that. You don't need to start worry about the team until full sided.

Nobody likes being demoted but it is not the same as being cut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

to me that depends, did they give enough notice that the kid could try out elsewhere or did they get the news after other clubs were done with playoffs? If it's the latter, the coach better have a penny and a spare set of gloves

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do kids who get cut or get rejection letters not so up for Memorial Day tournaments? or finish out the season?
Would like to hear any experiences you've had dealing with this and what clubs?

Kids get placed at different team levels throughout their playing career. Being placed on the B team is not "cut". Being cut means there is no spot for you on the team or at the club.

If your kid got placed on a lower level team or did not get promoted your player was not "cut". If this is the actual scenario I would not recommend having a temper tantrum over that.

If your kid did not make ANY team at the current club then THAT would be different.

Sorry but if you were on the A team and got an offer for the B team....that's being cut. You really shouldn't soften it for your kid unless he's like 5 maybe.

No it isn't the same as being cut, especially at small sided ages.

If your kid was not getting significant minutes during the season then this should not have been a surprise. Put your ego aside and welcome the opportunity for your kid gain significant playing time. Find out where he/she needs to improve and work on that. You don't need to start worry about the team until full sided.

Nobody likes being demoted but it is not the same as being cut.

In dcum world, demotions never relate to kid’s performance and are always fault of greed of club or preference for bigger players.

[Anonymous]

It's not a job, they don't need two weeks notice. At the tryouts, they are looking to see if anyone is better than your kid anyway. It's good to leave on a positive note (not trashing the club, saying that you appreciate what your coach and the club did for you), but it is not required to give a certain amount of notice in advance of the tryout that your child will not be attending. At the end of the day, while it is great to be polite, the club's interest is in what is best for the club, not your kid as an individual.


This may be true for some clubs and some coaches but DD's friend gave a club a lot of notice she was looking around and it was fine. The coach had helped train her for 2 years and was supportive. It is not a big club so they are more about personal relationships than about thinking of kids as bags of money.

I am glad it worked out for your daughter's friend, but at larger and more competitive clubs, this is not expected. Unless you personally know that your coach is a great guy or lady who will put your child's interests ahead of promoting the club's interest for the remaining time that your child is there, it's not advisable. I've had three kids go through two larger clubs. No one is necessarily thinking of kids as "bags of money," but if the goal is, as it often should be, having the kids work together as a team, then naturally, they are going to put more focus on the kids who will at least potentially be members of that group in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do kids who get cut or get rejection letters not so up for Memorial Day tournaments? or finish out the season?
Would like to hear any experiences you've had dealing with this and what clubs?

Kids get placed at different team levels throughout their playing career. Being placed on the B team is not "cut". Being cut means there is no spot for you on the team or at the club.

If your kid got placed on a lower level team or did not get promoted your player was not "cut". If this is the actual scenario I would not recommend having a temper tantrum over that.

If your kid did not make ANY team at the current club then THAT would be different.

Sorry but if you were on the A team and got an offer for the B team....that's being cut. You really shouldn't soften it for your kid unless he's like 5 maybe.

No it isn't the same as being cut, especially at small sided ages.

If your kid was not getting significant minutes during the season then this should not have been a surprise. Put your ego aside and welcome the opportunity for your kid gain significant playing time. Find out where he/she needs to improve and work on that. You don't need to start worry about the team until full sided.

Nobody likes being demoted but it is not the same as being cut.

In dcum world, demotions never relate to kid’s performance and are always fault of greed of club or preference for bigger players.

I think there's a lot more of the latter two reasons than there should be. That's all people are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

to me that depends, did they give enough notice that the kid could try out elsewhere or did they get the news after other clubs were done with playoffs? If it's the latter, the coach better have a penny and a spare set of gloves

So if a club did not give you enough notice to try out at other clubs it's a bad club? Tryouts are basically done.

[Anonymous]

Memorial Day tournaments are a waste of time and money. Don’t go period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

Most teams have a team app, where you can indicate team attendance or you can send the coach an email that your kid is not available for the tournament. You have to do what is best for your kid. You don't want to be in a situation when your kid gets injured in a meaningless game for the club that cut him and not being able to tryout with other clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

to me that depends, did they give enough notice that the kid could try out elsewhere or did they get the news after other clubs were done with playoffs? If it's the latter, the coach better have a penny and a spare set of gloves

So if a club did not give you enough notice to try out at other clubs it's a bad club? Tryouts are basically done.

not a bad club, but I wouldn't be inclined to give them notice if DD didn't want to play this weekend. I might even let her decide day of

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.

I think there is no right or wrong thing to do in this case except not to sabotage the team like leaving them hanging for a goalkeeper at the last minute.
By all means if your child is a goalkeeper who was cut you do not have to play but you should give the team as much notice as you can. If they tell you you were cut today and the tournament is Saturday that's their fault but don't just not show up.

to me that depends, did they give enough notice that the kid could try out elsewhere or did they get the news after other clubs were done with playoffs? If it's the latter, the coach better have a penny and a spare set of gloves

So if a club did not give you enough notice to try out at other clubs it's a bad club? Tryouts are basically done.

If your kid was a sub most of to the later half of the year that was your notice. Playing time is the ultimate communication.

If you see these trends talk to the coach directly.

Feel free to look into other clubs at any time but you will likely find a a couple conversations a year with the coach can keep you from being blindsided.