Is there a real club out there....

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

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You all are idiots. FCV has it all. We never lose and have the best player development of any club in the area and probably the country.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are idiots. FCV has it all. We never lose and have the best player development of any club in the area and probably the country.

I don't know where your kid plays (my guess would be Loudoun), assuming you even have a kid playing, but enough with the FCV jokes in every single thread. And that's coming from someone who doesn't have a kid at FCV or on GA/ECNL for that. It's just irritating and amusing only to you. Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are idiots. FCV has it all. We never lose and have the best player development of any club in the area and probably the country.

I don't know where your kid plays (my guess would be Loudoun), assuming you even have a kid playing, but enough with the FCV jokes in every single thread. And that's coming from someone who doesn't have a kid at FCV or on GA/ECNL for that. It's just irritating and amusing only to you. Get a life.

Nah... I chuckled at that too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

Nobody is discussing team performance. We are talking about individual development. You are beyond help. You obviously never played and have an obscenely simple and mechanical approach to something that is neither.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

Nobody is discussing team performance. We are talking about individual development. You are beyond help. You obviously never played and have an obscenely simple and mechanical approach to something that is neither.

Proper development requires players competing within the team against other quality players. You won't get it in division 5 of NCSL. Mediocre coaches talk about development to mask their inability to win. Winning and development are not mutually exclusive. Winning does not always equal development, but player development usually results in teams that win.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are idiots. FCV has it all. We never lose and have the best player development of any club in the area and probably the country.

I don't know where your kid plays (my guess would be Loudoun), assuming you even have a kid playing, but enough with the FCV jokes in every single thread. And that's coming from someone who doesn't have a kid at FCV or on GA/ECNL for that. It's just irritating and amusing only to you. Get a life.

Nah... I chuckled at that too.

Not a joke. Did you see how many scholarships and YNT camp invites we got. Do your research!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

Nobody is discussing team performance. We are talking about individual development. You are beyond help. You obviously never played and have an obscenely simple and mechanical approach to something that is neither.

Proper development requires players competing within the team against other quality players. You won't get it in division 5 of NCSL. Mediocre coaches talk about development to mask their inability to win. Winning and development are not mutually exclusive. Winning does not always equal development, but player development usually results in teams that win.

+1 you need to explain this to Metro parents. You would think after years of losing that parents would wake up but they're not.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Yes PAC really honestly cares about player development more than team success. they have sent numerous kids to Arlington , Mclean, DC united academy. and more. They aren't in the business of recruiting players to win trophies for the club. They want to see every kid maximize their potential. If they need to go elsewhere for the next step they take pride inhaling the player find the next level and best team to continue the push. Same thing when it comes to college placement Sully has more and better relationships with college coaches across the country than just about anyone. He also is honest and will tell a player sorry or no right now your not good enough to take the next step if thats the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Player development comes with a cost for the team - losses - as it takes time for players to develop.

This is much exaggerated. Good development results in wins that year - not several years down the line. When the coaches are saying that development won't bear fruit for several years then one of the following is true:

1. The kids are not developing.
2. The kids are playing in a league or division which is not appropriate for them, probably because the club is an ECNL/CCL/GA/MLS Next club which plays every team in the same league irrespective of whether it is best for that particular team.

If your kid's team is still losing every game badly by the end of the year, you should move if your kid's goal is to improve.

These top teams in the areas don't want that as it impacts their marketability. Much easier to just recruit rather than develop.

The most successful teams in the area generally do both.

FCV as noted before is great at marketing and recruiting. Player development...not so much.

I cannot comment specifically on FCV.

Every player is different and if you find a situation where your DC is developing, getting playing time and enjoys the team dynamics and teammates. That's all that's important. No coach can singlehandedly provide this.

Agreed. Although a good coach can go a very long way to providing it under a broad range of circumstances.

Within clubs, every age group is different.

I agree that no club can guarantee that every coach and age group is perfect. Nevertheless some clubs are much more committed to a sound philosophy than others, and you are much likelier to have a good experience at such a club.

Winning is most important guy is here. Goodn’t to see you.

No - I'm not that guy. I don't think that winning is important for its own sake - it's important only because it tends to correlate with how well the kids are developing. BUT I hate the "we're losing because development requires losing for years" folks. They're just bad coaches trying to excuse the fact that their teams consistently lose by telling you it's for a good reason. Yes development does sometimes involve losing a game which you might have been able to win. However it also implies that the players improve and become good enough to win games they previously would have lost - and it should not take more than 2-3 months for this to start happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

Nobody is discussing team performance. We are talking about individual development. You are beyond help. You obviously never played and have an obscenely simple and mechanical approach to something that is neither.

Proper development requires players competing within the team against other quality players. You won't get it in division 5 of NCSL. Mediocre coaches talk about development to mask their inability to win. Winning and development are not mutually exclusive. Winning does not always equal development, but player development usually results in teams that win.

+1 you need to explain this to Metro parents. You would think after years of losing that parents would wake up but they're not.

Why would you bring Metro up in this thread. Let them be.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

PAC is a tiny club that doesn't have teams at every age group on the girls side and the PP said very openly that there is a range of teams. Not sure why you have to pick on an age group that isn't as strong. But just to clarify the top U12 team played in CCL, not NCSL.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Premier AC in Falls Church does a very good job of developing players. From what I have seen (my kid as well as several family friends and neighborhood friends), player growth has been impressive.

There is a cost to foscussing on development, as others have said, and some teams pay it more dearly than others. A handful of PAC's teams are very strong and successful, while others have a wide range of players and are more like what 11:49 described.

I think the size of the club and the consistency in the coaching staff (most of the coaches played for the club president) are part of what makes the coaching so effective. On the other hand, the lack of depth is always a challenge to a small club even on the very strong teams (especially when it comes to tournaments). It sometimes also makes some of the stronger players inclined to leave for neighboring teams (who had originally turned them down) after a few years.

Would totally agree Premier AC has a wide range a few really good teams that could easily hold their own in an ECNL league and few really bad teams that border on ODSL. As for development They are top tier and care about the player first if they think one of their players needs to move to a stronger competition than the can provide the will help the player get to a stronger team. They frequently send players to the DCU academy.

You are kidding, right? No disrespect to Premier AC, but their teams will get crushed by ECNL teams. For example, Premier AC 08 girls top team lost to Arlington Silver. To put things in prospective, Arlington's top team will be playing in ECNL next year., their next best team is Red, then White, then Blue, then Black, then Silver. So PAC's best team lost to Arlington's 6th team, but it would hold its own against Arlington's top team and other ECNL clubs?

You are yet another idiotic parent. PAC has sent players to Arlington and McLean top teams when those clubs could not be bothered to pick or develop them. You are comparing results that occur after importing a bunch of talent with clubs that actually develop talent. And you are exactly why Arlington and McLean have multiple teams but cannot do anything but import talent at older ages to sustain their teams. Absolute idiot.

Newsflash, ECNL teams draw from many clubs and I can assure you that most do not come from PAC. PAC's 08 team did not lose to top Arlington team, it lost to the SIXTH best Arlington team. Arlington has 5 teams that are better than the team that beat PAC.
And the same goes for pre-ECNL ages, PAC does not even have U12 girls team in NCSL and their boys U12 team finished third from the bottom in division FIVE of NCSL. Wake up, division five of NCSL is not a hotbed of talent. I don't look down at PAC or the kids that play for the club, but lets be real their teams are nowhere near of being competitive against the top teams in the area.

PAC is a tiny club that doesn't have teams at every age group on the girls side and the PP said very openly that there is a range of teams. Not sure why you have to pick on an age group that isn't as strong. But just to clarify the top U12 team played in CCL, not NCSL.

The top U12 boys team, that is.