Cornell?!

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell is hard to define by a single ranking number as it covers a wide swath of instruction not found in the other elite colleges.

You have CAS which is comparable to the rest of the traditional Ivy League peers in its liberal arts focus.

Then you have CoE which is T5 for CS and top in the Ivies for engineering. Dyson is one of only 2 undergrad business schools within the Ivy League.

SHA, ILR, HumEc, CALS and Architecture provide the niche specialization not found in peer institutions.

Because of this, you go to Cornell to meet others that study and excel at very different fields from your own.

I have never heard of a T5 for CS. It is widely accepted there is a big 4 for CS -- CMU, MIT, Stanford, and UCB -- which are clearly above everyone else. Cornell engineering is very strong but I am not sure it can claim the #5 spot in CS when there are many other equally strong or stronger schools such as GA Tech, UIUC, Cal Tech, and UWashington. It's in the second tier below the big 4.

I am no fan of USN, but they rank Cornell #6 in CS.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings

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You have to understand that Cornell is the land grant university of New York State. It had agriculture and engineering from the start. It evolved in a different way than the rest of the Ivy League. If anything, I think Cornell is underrated. Being in a rural location hurts its prestige. It was a great university before the Ivy League was formed in the 1950s. I can remember when Cornell was considered better or equal than Brown, Dartmouth and Penn. Now, Cornell gets bashed as a "lesser" Ivy. Yet there are Cornell PhDs teaching in the rest of the Ivy League. Cornell has diversity in people and programs that is unmatched in the rest of the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to understand that Cornell is the land grant university of New York State. It had agriculture and engineering from the start. It evolved in a different way than the rest of the Ivy League. If anything, I think Cornell is underrated. Being in a rural location hurts its prestige. It was a great university before the Ivy League was formed in the 1950s. I can remember when Cornell was considered better or equal than Brown, Dartmouth and Penn. Now, Cornell gets bashed as a "lesser" Ivy. Yet there are Cornell PhDs teaching in the rest of the Ivy League. Cornell has diversity in people and programs that is unmatched in the rest of the Ivy League.

Yet the location is beautiful and loved by the students that choose it.

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Cornell alum here. I hated my time there but these threads that bash its prestige are baffling. In a field that cares about prestige, guess what? The people doing hiring are not reading US News or whatever rankings. They remember what’s prestigious from when they applied to school. Like it or no, Cornell is an Ivy League school that’s not gonna change, and no employers aren’t going to care if someone went there or Brown or wherever.
I’d care more that their alums are unhappy (I think things are changing now) so you get less of a boost from an alumni network. I do not give any special points bc someone went to my alma mater

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Anonymous wrote:You have to understand that Cornell is the land grant university of New York State. It had agriculture and engineering from the start. It evolved in a different way than the rest of the Ivy League. If anything, I think Cornell is underrated. Being in a rural location hurts its prestige. It was a great university before the Ivy League was formed in the 1950s. I can remember when Cornell was considered better or equal than Brown, Dartmouth and Penn. Now, Cornell gets bashed as a "lesser" Ivy. Yet there are Cornell PhDs teaching in the rest of the Ivy League. Cornell has diversity in people and programs that is unmatched in the rest of the Ivy League.

I agree with underrated. I found it interesting that Stanford was modeled on ("The Cornell of the West"), and started with, its first president/faculty pinched from Cornell.
Cornell has a very different structure and mission from the rest of the Ivy League.

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One potential minus about Cornell is the dorms. Housing is guaranteed only for the first 2 years although they are building more. The students have no affiliation nor lasting connection to the dorms, not like Harvard's Houses or Yale's Residential Colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You have to understand that Cornell is the land grant university of New York State. It had agriculture and engineering from the start. It evolved in a different way than the rest of the Ivy League. If anything, I think Cornell is underrated. Being in a rural location hurts its prestige. It was a great university before the Ivy League was formed in the 1950s. I can remember when Cornell was considered better or equal than Brown, Dartmouth and Penn. Now, Cornell gets bashed as a "lesser" Ivy. Yet there are Cornell PhDs teaching in the rest of the Ivy League. Cornell has diversity in people and programs that is unmatched in the rest of the Ivy League.

I agree with underrated. I found it interesting that Stanford was modeled on ("The Cornell of the West"), and started with, its first president/faculty pinched from Cornell.
Cornell has a very different structure and mission from the rest of the Ivy League.

Yes, Cornell is so much more than just “an Ivy”. And it appeals to many people who look beyond athletic conferences.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a bit overrated. I don't find it to be better than the current top 25 private ( CMU, Emory, Notre Dame etc). If it wasn't an ivy league school would it still be top 25? And why does it have so many transfer programs...

https://cornellsun.com/2010/05/05/c-u-enters-into-transfer-agreement-with-n-j-college/

Tell us why you think it is over-rated. Remember USN uses a formula with metrics, so that might help you address your issue with its ranking. Which of the metrics is flawed?

Also, you should research transfer agreements more. They are much more common than you appear to believe.

Such as?

Really? You need me to google them for you?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=community+colleges+with+transfer+agreements

After that look up specific programs, like 3-2 for engineering with LACs. Then maybe we can talk about others.

The problem is when you type something like “such as” before you even spend a moment looking it shows you are doubting, and in cases like this shows you completely wrong. Anonymity protects you I guess.

Ah, yes, I just read Carlton's 3-2 program. It says approximately 50 students start on the program - but only a few (1-3) make. That's approximately 6%, consistent with the ivy admissions rate. And those who can't meet the stringent ivy criteria transfer to other national or local engineering programs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a bit overrated. I don't find it to be better than the current top 25 private ( CMU, Emory, Notre Dame etc). If it wasn't an ivy league school would it still be top 25? And why does it have so many transfer programs...

https://cornellsun.com/2010/05/05/c-u-enters-into-transfer-agreement-with-n-j-college/

Tell us why you think it is over-rated. Remember USN uses a formula with metrics, so that might help you address your issue with its ranking. Which of the metrics is flawed?

Also, you should research transfer agreements more. They are much more common than you appear to believe.

Such as?

Really? You need me to google them for you?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=community+colleges+with+transfer+agreements

After that look up specific programs, like 3-2 for engineering with LACs. Then maybe we can talk about others.

The problem is when you type something like “such as” before you even spend a moment looking it shows you are doubting, and in cases like this shows you completely wrong. Anonymity protects you I guess.

Ah, yes, I just read Carlton's 3-2 program. It says approximately 50 students start on the program - but only a few (1-3) make. That's approximately 6%, consistent with the ivy admissions rate. And those who can't meet the stringent ivy criteria transfer to other national or local engineering programs.

What is your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a bit overrated. I don't find it to be better than the current top 25 private ( CMU, Emory, Notre Dame etc). If it wasn't an ivy league school would it still be top 25? And why does it have so many transfer programs...

https://cornellsun.com/2010/05/05/c-u-enters-into-transfer-agreement-with-n-j-college/

Tell us why you think it is over-rated. Remember USN uses a formula with metrics, so that might help you address your issue with its ranking. Which of the metrics is flawed?

Also, you should research transfer agreements more. They are much more common than you appear to believe.

Such as?

Really? You need me to google them for you?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=community+colleges+with+transfer+agreements

After that look up specific programs, like 3-2 for engineering with LACs. Then maybe we can talk about others.

The problem is when you type something like “such as” before you even spend a moment looking it shows you are doubting, and in cases like this shows you completely wrong. Anonymity protects you I guess.

Ah, yes, I just read Carlton's 3-2 program. It says approximately 50 students start on the program - but only a few (1-3) make. That's approximately 6%, consistent with the ivy admissions rate. And those who can't meet the stringent ivy criteria transfer to other national or local engineering programs.

What is your point?

If you have a guaranteed MD transfer option when you enter undergrad, such as Brown's BS-MD, you would be a fool to pass up a guaranteed path to the MD program.

And 3-2 is not guaranteed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have a guaranteed MD transfer option when you enter undergrad, such as Brown's BS-MD, you would be a fool to pass up a guaranteed path to the MD program.

And 3-2 is not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to Cornell, the subject of this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One potential minus about Cornell is the dorms. Housing is guaranteed only for the first 2 years although they are building more. The students have no affiliation nor lasting connection to the dorms, not like Harvard's Houses or Yale's Residential Colleges.

. They are currently building 4 new dorms and will probably guarantee housing through Junior year when they open.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a guaranteed MD transfer option when you enter undergrad, such as Brown's BS-MD, you would be a fool to pass up a guaranteed path to the MD program.

And 3-2 is not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to Cornell, the subject of this thread?

I have no dog in the Cornell fight. Just pointing out that a "guaranteed" program doesn't mean 2.0 GPA. It's not automatic. Same with Brown's BS-MD. I am pretty sure they flunk people. Same with CalTech's 3-2 engineering with LACs. CalTech just gives preference to engineering students with a strong liberal arts background. It's not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to 3-2 transfers, the sub-point of this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a guaranteed MD transfer option when you enter undergrad, such as Brown's BS-MD, you would be a fool to pass up a guaranteed path to the MD program.

And 3-2 is not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to Cornell, the subject of this thread?

I have no dog in the Cornell fight. Just pointing out that a "guaranteed" program doesn't mean 2.0 GPA. It's not automatic. Same with Brown's BS-MD. I am pretty sure they flunk people. Same with CalTech's 3-2 engineering with LACs. CalTech just gives preference to engineering students with a strong liberal arts background. It's not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to 3-2 transfers, the sub-point of this thread?

Threads have no sub-point. That's not a thing. It's called threadjacking. Recommend you start a new one to discuss your "sub-point".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a guaranteed MD transfer option when you enter undergrad, such as Brown's BS-MD, you would be a fool to pass up a guaranteed path to the MD program.

And 3-2 is not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to Cornell, the subject of this thread?

I have no dog in the Cornell fight. Just pointing out that a "guaranteed" program doesn't mean 2.0 GPA. It's not automatic. Same with Brown's BS-MD. I am pretty sure they flunk people. Same with CalTech's 3-2 engineering with LACs. CalTech just gives preference to engineering students with a strong liberal arts background. It's not guaranteed.

OK I will ask more clearly: What is your point with regard to 3-2 transfers, the sub-point of this thread?

Threads have no sub-point. That's not a thing. It's called threadjacking. Recommend you start a new one to discuss your "sub-point".

Are you the moron that raised the 3-2 with respect to Cornell's guaranteed program? ("After that look up specific programs, like 3-2 for engineering with LACs. Then maybe we can talk about others.") Once you, or another PP, raise a sub-point in this thread, I am simply asking what's wrong with these so-called "guaranteed" paths that make Cornell so undesirable.