CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.

You are the #1 reason we cannot go back to school if you don't take COVID serously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is troubling about this to me, as a hockey parent, is that people on the other team tested positive. So transmission cannot be fully explained away by time in the locker room (locker rooms aren’t open in our area rinks); exposure must have come through on ice play.

Our team wears masks during practice for the most part, but other teams aren’t wearing them in games.

But they were adult men willing to play ice hockey in FLorida in June. They could have caught Covid doing any of the number of other things they were probably doing. They weren't quarantining at home except for ice hockey games.

do you ... understand how contact tracing works

[Anonymous]

Dr. Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy addressed the unique ventilation problems related to indoor ice hockey in the video below, at the 34 minute mark. In the 1980s when Zamboni machines ran on propane, there were a number of incidents where hockey players became sick from some byproduct of the propane. That led public health officials to study ventilation. He said the cold air is denser and stays in the rink. The virus won’t dissipate like it would outdoors.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, June story. Move along.

Still happening in New England, I’ve seen it in the news lately.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wmur.com/amp/article/new-hampshire-coronavirus-update-october-15-2020/34382461

Yup. This week 7 hockey teams in our area been notified they must quarantine for two weeks. Idiots (parents and players) aren’t wearing masks and parents aren’t social distancing. I truly hope the my shut down the sport in indoor lax (other offenders) in the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, June story. Move along.

Still happening in New England, I’ve seen it in the news lately.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wmur.com/amp/article/new-hampshire-coronavirus-update-october-15-2020/34382461

Yup. This week 7 hockey teams in our area been notified they must quarantine for two weeks. Idiots (parents and players) aren’t wearing masks and parents aren’t social distancing. I truly hope the my shut down the sport in indoor lax (other offenders) in the state.

Just to highlight - I’m in Mass not NH. Our town had 6 new cases, 5 are hockey players, one is lax.

Indoor sports need to end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is troubling about this to me, as a hockey parent, is that people on the other team tested positive. So transmission cannot be fully explained away by time in the locker room (locker rooms aren’t open in our area rinks); exposure must have come through on ice play.

Our team wears masks during practice for the most part, but other teams aren’t wearing them in games.

But they were adult men willing to play ice hockey in FLorida in June. They could have caught Covid doing any of the number of other things they were probably doing. They weren't quarantining at home except for ice hockey games.

do you ... understand how contact tracing works

yes, and when there is rampant community spread like in Florida in June it does not tell you much. These were the kind of people who were out and about all the time, going to bars and restaurants, socializing with masks. They were adult men playing indoor hockey in June! in Florida!

[Anonymous]

I take it seriously, trust me. I'm not "anti-mask" but these types of statements are off the charts. Schools should be opened.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.

You are the #1 reason we cannot go back to school if you don't take COVID serously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.

Sorry - I'm trying to understand if this post is politically motivated or if you really are this unaware of disease physiology and medical science. You do understand that while Covid19 is new, understanding many kinds of long term organ damage is not, right? When you have scar tissue in your lungs, it doesn't matter that much in a big picture way whether that's from LUPUS or Covid19. Pulmonologists already know how it will impact the rest of your life. Similarly with kidney damage, etc. In cases where there is uncertainty, what I keep hearing about is shockingly worse than expected outcomes, not things like scar tissue miraculously healing. You get all that, right?

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that whenever we didn't know what was going to happen, it's worse than we thought it would be? How can it be worse, if we didn't know? This repeated refrain of "life long issues" is one of the liberal left talking points to keep everybody living in fear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.

Sorry - I'm trying to understand if this post is politically motivated or if you really are this unaware of disease physiology and medical science. You do understand that while Covid19 is new, understanding many kinds of long term organ damage is not, right? When you have scar tissue in your lungs, it doesn't matter that much in a big picture way whether that's from LUPUS or Covid19. Pulmonologists already know how it will impact the rest of your life. Similarly with kidney damage, etc. In cases where there is uncertainty, what I keep hearing about is shockingly worse than expected outcomes, not things like scar tissue miraculously healing. You get all that, right?

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that whenever we didn't know what was going to happen, it's worse than we thought it would be? How can it be worse, if we didn't know? This repeated refrain of "life long issues" is one of the liberal left talking points to keep everybody living in fear.

It's certainly true that much is not know about the long term effects of Covid. However, physicians ARE able to do simple, well understood tests on people who have had Covid and see things like:

- Scar tissue in the lungs
- Damage the heart muscle
- Problems from blood clots, ranging from stroke to long term issues related to tiny clots blocking capillaries.

We DO know a lot about the lifelong effects of these problems because we're able to see their effects from other diseases, so there is really no uncertainly about these long term effects. At all. This is not a "talking point", it's simple medical science.

When I wrote about "shockingly worse than expected outcomes" above, my point was that scientists and researchers have been continually shocked and dismayed with Covid patients at the extent of the kinds of damage enumerated above (lung scarring, heart damage, tiny clots) EVEN IN PATENTS WHO HAD ONLY MILD SYMPTOMS OF THE DISEASE.

Again, this is not a political opinion, it's a simple, very well documented fact.

Here are some resources you may be interested in reviewing that explain more fully:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=Blood%20clots%20and%20blood%20vessel%20problems&text=Other%20organs%20affected%20by%20blood,with%20the%20liver%20and%20kidneys.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

[Anonymous]

Anyone know if local rinks are even telling families if there are cases among kids on their teams?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

US CV infections are back up to 67K daily infections and 219K dead. But you're probably right, no news is good news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know if local rinks are even telling families if there are cases among kids on their teams?

Tricity has sent out emails in the past few weeks about positive cases on two teams. As a result, they cancelled all practices/games for three teams for 14 days (two teams had a positive case each and the other shared a practice with one of those teams in the days before the positive case). They seem to be doing a good job of keeping everyone informed and encouraging safe behavior on and off the ice.

[Anonymous]

There's at least one MYHA team that cancelled practices recently not sure if they did 14 days... We were informed by our coach as a sibling from our team was on that team. We were not told to do anything different. Just get tested if you want.
TM I know of cases through rumor mill only. No official communications on what happens if there's a positive case.
Im surprised rinks aren't closing for cleaning after reports and I'm wondering if the county is being informed...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's at least one MYHA team that cancelled practices recently not sure if they did 14 days... We were informed by our coach as a sibling from our team was on that team. We were not told to do anything different. Just get tested if you want.
TM I know of cases through rumor mill only. No official communications on what happens if there's a positive case.
Im surprised rinks aren't closing for cleaning after reports and I'm wondering if the county is being informed...

Closing for cleaning is silly pandemic theater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.

Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.

Sorry - I'm trying to understand if this post is politically motivated or if you really are this unaware of disease physiology and medical science. You do understand that while Covid19 is new, understanding many kinds of long term organ damage is not, right? When you have scar tissue in your lungs, it doesn't matter that much in a big picture way whether that's from LUPUS or Covid19. Pulmonologists already know how it will impact the rest of your life. Similarly with kidney damage, etc. In cases where there is uncertainty, what I keep hearing about is shockingly worse than expected outcomes, not things like scar tissue miraculously healing. You get all that, right?

Except, you know, science. Most with mild symptoms do not have scar tissue in their lungs.