Auburn or Alabama-which one sends kids home first?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alabama isn't going to go home. They're going to stay open, regardless of what happens. If some kid dies, some kid dies.

+1 - they are going to RIDE it like a cowboy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

Students die from drinking with or without Greek life. Self destructive kids will be self destructive kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't wish illness on anyone, but if Alabama, Auburn, and similar schools have to close, and other schools stay open, it might *finally* help people understand the need to consistently and strictly abide by all recommendations. These are places where people are not wearing masks, where they aren't practicing social distancing. I truly believe that we don't need to completely shut down the country, but we need masks, and we need the other measure, but at this point, certain people refuse to do these measure because THEY'VE decided it's political.

But are you willing for it to work the opposite way on you if they make it through after this initial spike and are able to have class while you’re sitting inside at home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alabama isn't going to go home. They're going to stay open, regardless of what happens. If some kid dies, some kid dies.

It isn’t if some kid dies
, why is this hard?

Kid goes to lunch with mom and dad or any other encounter with their parents and mom or dad dies.

Great plan.

Of course it’s Alabama dumb as rocks 46 th in the nation of public schools they breed them stupid.

[Anonymous]

Why would they close? Right now, sending college students home to spread virus to their parents is the stupidest thing anyone could do. Keep all of the low-risk people together and away from the high-risk people.

'Bama seems to have done a good job of testing students, and it seems as though they're being punished for being transparent. PP is right -- everyone should be hoping they succeed.

Just a couple of points: The # of cases is for the entire Alabama system, not just the Tuscaloosa campus, so it covers over 40,000 students, including the UAB Medical School and hospital. The 1,400 number that is being tossed around includes all cases since January.

https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/item/11515-new-york-times-reports-misleading-data-of-high-covid-19-cases-at-uab-in-story-about-colleges-universities

In our university/non-clinical enterprise, UAB is aware of 148 students (0.67% of our student body) and 91 faculty and staff (1.5% of that total population) who tested positive in 2020. For the non-clinical enterprise, this is a total of 239 total positive cases this year.

UAB’s clinical enterprise – which includes UAB Medicine, more than 17,500 employees and one of the nation’s largest hospitals, and welcomes more than 1.6 million patient visits a year – has provided vital healthcare services throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes our healthcare providers on the frontlines who have cared for more than 1,100 hospitalized COVID-positive patients, as well as additional COVID-positive patients cared for in out-patient, ambulatory settings. This year, 733 faculty and staff in the clinical enterprise (4.1% of 17,500 total clinical enterprise employee population) have tested positive for COVID-19. 679 clinical enterprise employees have completed COVID-19 protocols and cleared to return to work.

https://uasystem.edu/covid-19-dashboard/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would they close? Right now, sending college students home to spread virus to their parents is the stupidest thing anyone could do. Keep all of the low-risk people together and away from the high-risk people.

'Bama seems to have done a good job of testing students, and it seems as though they're being punished for being transparent. PP is right -- everyone should be hoping they succeed.

Just a couple of points: The # of cases is for the entire Alabama system, not just the Tuscaloosa campus, so it covers over 40,000 students, including the UAB Medical School and hospital. The 1,400 number that is being tossed around includes all cases since January.

https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/item/11515-new-york-times-reports-misleading-data-of-high-covid-19-cases-at-uab-in-story-about-colleges-universities

In our university/non-clinical enterprise, UAB is aware of 148 students (0.67% of our student body) and 91 faculty and staff (1.5% of that total population) who tested positive in 2020. For the non-clinical enterprise, this is a total of 239 total positive cases this year.

UAB’s clinical enterprise – which includes UAB Medicine, more than 17,500 employees and one of the nation’s largest hospitals, and welcomes more than 1.6 million patient visits a year – has provided vital healthcare services throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes our healthcare providers on the frontlines who have cared for more than 1,100 hospitalized COVID-positive patients, as well as additional COVID-positive patients cared for in out-patient, ambulatory settings. This year, 733 faculty and staff in the clinical enterprise (4.1% of 17,500 total clinical enterprise employee population) have tested positive for COVID-19. 679 clinical enterprise employees have completed COVID-19 protocols and cleared to return to work.

https://uasystem.edu/covid-19-dashboard/

I wonder what Harvard’s case numbers would look like if they reported all of the cases from the Medical School and associated teaching hospitals since January?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

Students die from drinking with or without Greek life. Self destructive kids will be self destructive kids.

Were you in a fraternity? If so, you're lying with this post. If not, you're ignorant.

I grew up in Wisconsin, where I could get into bars from age 15 on, and we did things like pound a sixpack on the hood of someone's car in the school parking lot at lunch. Even with that background, the binge drinking that went with being a pledge was more than I ever would have done outside of Greek life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't wish illness on anyone, but if Alabama, Auburn, and similar schools have to close, and other schools stay open, it might *finally* help people understand the need to consistently and strictly abide by all recommendations. These are places where people are not wearing masks, where they aren't practicing social distancing. I truly believe that we don't need to completely shut down the country, but we need masks, and we need the other measure, but at this point, certain people refuse to do these measure because THEY'VE decided it's political.

But are you willing for it to work the opposite way on you if they make it through after this initial spike and are able to have class while you’re sitting inside at home?

How's the no-mask, I-don't-believe-in-social-distancing approach working out for the U.S.? The countries where they are doing those things are universally better off than the U.S. The evidence is already in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

Students die from drinking with or without Greek life. Self destructive kids will be self destructive kids.

Were you in a fraternity? If so, you're lying with this post. If not, you're ignorant.

I grew up in Wisconsin, where I could get into bars from age 15 on, and we did things like pound a sixpack on the hood of someone's car in the school parking lot at lunch. Even with that background, the binge drinking that went with being a pledge was more than I ever would have done outside of Greek life.

No one ever forced anyone to take a single sip of alcohol. It’s a choice. Young adults who have a weak enough sense of self to drink themselves to near death to win someones approval have bigger lifelong issues than can even be contained within the heading of fraternities and sororities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

Students die from drinking with or without Greek life. Self destructive kids will be self destructive kids.

Were you in a fraternity? If so, you're lying with this post. If not, you're ignorant.

I grew up in Wisconsin, where I could get into bars from age 15 on, and we did things like pound a sixpack on the hood of someone's car in the school parking lot at lunch. Even with that background, the binge drinking that went with being a pledge was more than I ever would have done outside of Greek life.

No one ever forced anyone to take a single sip of alcohol. It’s a choice. Young adults who have a weak enough sense of self to drink themselves to near death to win someones approval have bigger lifelong issues than can even be contained within the heading of fraternities and sororities.

That’s being too harsh about it. These are kids that just turned adults. They have arrived at college and want to belong to a group, fit in, have fun as part of their college experience. They want to drink to spread their newly found wings. They don’t start drinking during the hazing, thinking I’ll drink enough during this to possibly die but I’m too desperate to care if I die. They start drinking, lose their judgement of quantity, want to complete the hazing so they can belong, and are trusting the folks doing the hazing to know when to stop making them drink more. It’s more on the shoulders of those running the hazing event to have safe judgement and monitoring of the pledges if they choose to have the pledges do a hazing event. Since fraternities have proven they are collectively irresponsible in making sure all pledges are safe while haze-drinking, that’s why drinking-based hazing should be eliminated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they are doing this.
All colleges should have been online this fall with a focus on opening in January. If one student dies at any college, the whole year is going to be over for every college.

Nah. Students die all the time. Students die from drinking too much or hazing in Greek organizations, but Greek organizations still exist. Nobody cares, unless it's their kid.

Students die from drinking with or without Greek life. Self destructive kids will be self destructive kids.

Were you in a fraternity? If so, you're lying with this post. If not, you're ignorant.

I grew up in Wisconsin, where I could get into bars from age 15 on, and we did things like pound a sixpack on the hood of someone's car in the school parking lot at lunch. Even with that background, the binge drinking that went with being a pledge was more than I ever would have done outside of Greek life.

No one ever forced anyone to take a single sip of alcohol. It’s a choice. Young adults who have a weak enough sense of self to drink themselves to near death to win someones approval have bigger lifelong issues than can even be contained within the heading of fraternities and sororities.

That’s being too harsh about it. These are kids that just turned adults. They have arrived at college and want to belong to a group, fit in, have fun as part of their college experience. They want to drink to spread their newly found wings. They don’t start drinking during the hazing, thinking I’ll drink enough during this to possibly die but I’m too desperate to care if I die. They start drinking, lose their judgement of quantity, want to complete the hazing so they can belong, and are trusting the folks doing the hazing to know when to stop making them drink more. It’s more on the shoulders of those running the hazing event to have safe judgement and monitoring of the pledges if they choose to have the pledges do a hazing event. Since fraternities have proven they are collectively irresponsible in making sure all pledges are safe while haze-drinking, that’s why drinking-based hazing should be eliminated.

I was Greek and never forced to drink. No hazing of any kind.