Exactly, I am seeing that whatever information given on the websites, be it TJ website or AAP. They should mention that diversity is considered. 5 years back I used to see mostly east and south asians in AAP classes. Lately, I don't see them. Looks like there is something that is not unofficially declared but keeping it only during admission process. |
Exactly, maybe it's better to start an Asian parents' alliance so we can better fight for our children, to bring equality and fairness for the kids that can be most benefit from this program. And avoid unfair dilutions of this program. |
Do you see them in gen ed classes? Nope. Because they've moved and are in different schools now. They aren't being kept out of AAP. Or TJ. |
That makes it easier for AAP admissions to differentiate between Asian and white kids. If a kid is a Young Scholar, the kid is probably low income, Black, or Hispanic. Asians are not considered a minority for Young Scholars. Young Scholar box checked means the kid is probably a URM. No boxes checked means the kid is probably white. If a kid is not a Young scholar but then checks the box for speaking another language at home, the committee would know that the kid is probably Asian. AAP admissions is not blind to any of this, and they certainly take it into consideration. |
Love the Davidson Institute, they only take kids with IQ score above 145 to avoid the dilution of the program. They are not taking any test scores that can be easily prepped. And this leaves the true population that can be benefitted from the program. |
there are Asian populations with low income. when my parents came to this country i received free lunches for few years... That was the Montgomery County public school system. they were somewhat fair, at least back then, i was able to take multivariable calculus and differential equation in 11th grade. Not sure how is it now 20 years later. |
Low income Asians will get into Young Scholars, and then they'll get those bonus points with the AAP admissions committee. |
So, what a way to show our kids that work hard and earn more can have a social disadvantage... |
When government come up with these benefits, they need to think about the social consequences. the Cons out weight the Pros? Why do we have a huge population quit their jobs and live happily on government benefits? Maybe this action not only benefits them also benefits their children in school. Sounds like a great loophole to be taken advantage of! |
Aw that's cute you think that stops people |
Of course, but some want to sew grievance and misinformation by claiming otherwise. It is wholly illegal, and selection to these programs is race-blind as a matter of law. The crazy part is they're pushing the myth that the most well-represented group is being discriminated against completely ignores reality and fact. |
It’s not illegal to use race for program admissions, hiring, etc. Affirmative Action is not illegal. Programs like Young Scholars that overtly use race as a qualifier are not illegal. It is not illegal for programs to try to balance their demographics. It’s not illegal for colleges to admit people in a way that creates a diverse class. Sheesh. |
Affirmative Action is to eliminate discrimination, yet in the recent years, this is the cause of discrimination. to truly eliminate discrimination and racism is to have race blind admission process to let the true achievers shine. If the country or the states want to truly help these kids, provide them the free access to test preps and stem classes. To truly help someone you want to teach them how to fish, not to give them free fish to eat... |
This kind of thinking oversimplifies things. The problem with admissions to anything is that it's a zero-sum game. If you create programs to "help" one group, it is going to hurt other groups by virtue of it being a zero-sum game. For example, many states, counties (e.g., TJ admissions), etc. have adopted a "Top 10%" or "Top 20%" policy to encourage diversity in a race-neutral manner. In the short-term, policies like this likely do increase diversity of underrepresented groups. Policies like this can be couched in a positive light and people can even claim that it's not per se discrimination. While I agree that it's no longer per se discrimination, it is a more subtle, nuanced version of discrimination, with the arguably good intent of helping underrepresented groups. The problem is that helping underrepresented groups in a zero-sum game will hurt other groups in the short-term. In the long-term, those other groups will figure out a way to work through the new system (e.g., move to underrepresented neighborhoods to increase your chance of getting into schools). I personally am fine with what is being done because I do actually think underrepresented groups should be given help and I accept that there will be some harm to other groups. That being said, I don't think people should discount the reality that other groups are in fact being harmed and that this is a subtle form of discrimination, which understandably angers and frustrates people. |
Unless things have changed from the last couple years, the committees don't care about the WISC, only GBRS. For the reasons the next PP expressed: it is seen as an unfair advantage for those who can pay. For anecdata: my kid who had a 138 Cogat and 139 WISC was rejected. Four frequently observed. |