How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??

[Anonymous]

My family is one anecdote, but I am a divorced parent of two (4 and 7) with 50/50 custody who moved to Maryland when divorcing while my ex stayed in our house in DC.

She sold the house in the summer of 2017 and moved to Maryland herself but wanted to keep the kids at their school, so I immediately moved back to DC not to risk it after seeing Racine go after others and knowing the fines would kill us way more than a slight rent increase would.

The kids are in a charter, so no boundary issues.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

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My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

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My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

DING DING DING!

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

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Same thing happens in Mclean ALL the time.

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

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White people appear to be fighting for the right to get into the right school, seems to be the black parents are simply fighting to get into a school. There is a big difference there.

[Anonymous]

Sigh... another good discussion that suddenly devolved into an argument about race.

[Anonymous]

It's all cheating -- people from the suburbs stealing seats from children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

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White people appear to be fighting for the right to get into the right school, seems to be the black parents are simply fighting to get into a school. There is a big difference there.

It’s not that simple and has been covered so many times here. Lower income PG families adding a few kids to some less desired DCPS schools (not charters) that wouldn’t be filled anyway is different than the middle class PG ones taking slots in desirable schools or charters (where DC pays) using grandmas address. Both are different from the demographics of the group renting inbounds in NW to get an address for a desirable school. None should really happen but they are different flavors of cheating. Like some others have pointed out boundary fraud may pose less risk of getting fined that residency fraud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.

+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.

I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.

I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.

Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.

I would suspect there are more white parents fudging their addresses in DC than all the PG parents combined. It is just easier to yell at black people.

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This impression is because this board is dominated by WOTP issues. Boundary fraud is an issue at the 15 schools that feed Wilson. Residency fraud can be an issue at any of the 200 or so other schools.

[Anonymous]

Correct.

It's a lock that the number of Maryland students at the lesser desired charters in particular dwarves the number of boundary cheaters WOTP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Correct.

It's a lock that the number of Maryland students at the lesser desired charters in particular dwarves the number of boundary cheaters WOTP.[/quote

But even the best WOTP has to offer wouldn't really interest even poor parents in Silver Spring especially considering WOTP doesn't really get free local childcare WOTP. If you think PG parents are breaking laws for the privilege of driving their kids all the way across the city seems far fetched. I know there were a few dirtbag cops or DC workers using places near their offices but the poor families aren't schlepping across the city from Ward 9 to go to Deal. The middle class PG fams could get better options with the local privates doing it the honest way. I just don't see a way most honest people break the rules for a lesser product.

I would guess most people WOTP who don't belong are people who live in the different wards but feel entitled to go to the prestigious schools in the better neighborhood, they are really the only people who think highly enough of DC schools to cheat to get to them. Free PreK might have some but they aren't sticking around until high school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Correct.

It's a lock that the number of Maryland students at the lesser desired charters in particular dwarves the number of boundary cheaters WOTP.

But even the best WOTP has to offer wouldn't really interest even poor parents in Silver Spring especially considering WOTP doesn't really get free local childcare WOTP. If you think PG parents are breaking laws for the privilege of driving their kids all the way across the city seems far fetched. I know there were a few dirtbag cops or DC workers using places near their offices but the poor families aren't schlepping across the city from Ward 9 to go to Deal. The middle class PG fams could get better options with the local privates doing it the honest way. I just don't see a way most honest people break the rules for a lesser product.

I would guess most people WOTP who don't belong are people who live in the different wards but feel entitled to go to the prestigious schools in the better neighborhood, they are really the only people who think highly enough of DC schools to cheat to get to them. Free PreK might have some but they aren't sticking around until high school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Correct.

It's a lock that the number of Maryland students at the lesser desired charters in particular dwarves the number of boundary cheaters WOTP.[/quote

But even the best WOTP has to offer wouldn't really interest even poor parents in Silver Spring especially considering WOTP doesn't really get free local childcare WOTP. If you think PG parents are breaking laws for the privilege of driving their kids all the way across the city seems far fetched. I know there were a few dirtbag cops or DC workers using places near their offices but the poor families aren't schlepping across the city from Ward 9 to go to Deal. The middle class PG fams could get better options with the local privates doing it the honest way. I just don't see a way most honest people break the rules for a lesser product.

I would guess most people WOTP who don't belong are people who live in the different wards but feel entitled to go to the prestigious schools in the better neighborhood, they are really the only people who think highly enough of DC schools to cheat to get to them. Free PreK might have some but they aren't sticking around until high school

The main reason is for ease of commute and, with the rare exceptions, it doesn't affect WOTP schools. A bad school near your workplace is way more desireable than a bad school near your home for drop off and especially pickup.

[Anonymous]

Personally, I don't trust a a single component of DCPS Residency verification process.

I am military (Florida resident), stationed at the Pentagon and have owned a home in DC for over 10 years.

Every year I get grief from DCPS stating that my military orders (To national capital area) and my LES (DOD) are not valid for proof of residency along with all of my utility bills, property tax statements, and tax filings.

I end up spending a morning at DCPS Headquarters talking to the admin people there who swear every year that they have never run into this before. On the occasion that I am deployed during the annual audit, I have seen the mail when I get home, but it was never followed up on by DCPS.

At the end of the day, there is never a problem, but there is certainly no 'system' that is used to audit these issues or a person who steps in when the 'system' kicks things out for review.

Anyway, son graduated and is off to college. No more issues.