Why is Daily Infection increasing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

This. The whole point was to not overwhelm hospitals. Hospitals are practically empty. It’s time to move on and address the economic suffering.

Ah yes but now it’s time to move the goalposts from “not overwhelming hospitals” to “making sure no one gets sick.” Hence the need for 2+ more months of all this. Apparently.

Apparently you have zero understanding of how "flattening the curve" works. You can't just reduce the infection rate, say "good job!" and reopen. All that will do is cause everyone to get sick and completely negate everything. You need to get the curve flat enough to stay under hospital capacity then keep it there for an extended period until there is herd immunity or a vaccine is developed. The whole point is lengthening the time period to reduce the number of people needing care at once.

Perhaps this simple graph can help you understand. Notice the blue (social distancing) is longer than the red? (Letting the virus run wild.)



Think of it like watering a plant. In this analogy, the water is people with Coronavirus who need intensive care to survive. The pot is the hospital. If you just dump all the water in at once, the pot will overflow. All that overflowed water equals people who can't get a hospital bed and die. However, if you pour it slowly and give the water time to absorb into the soil, nothing spills. Yes, it takes longer to water the plant, but you don't spill any water.

Oh, and you're really not going to like this: right now, confirmed cases are about 0.2% of the population, and a vaccine is probably a year or more away from mass production. We are going to need a lot more than 2 months before we have herd immunity or a vaccine.

If the plan is to quarantine for 2 years that’s not a plan

It is a plan. You just don’t like it. (And it actually isn’t the plan, but whatever.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

This. The whole point was to not overwhelm hospitals. Hospitals are practically empty. It’s time to move on and address the economic suffering.

Ah yes but now it’s time to move the goalposts from “not overwhelming hospitals” to “making sure no one gets sick.” Hence the need for 2+ more months of all this. Apparently.

Apparently you have zero understanding of how "flattening the curve" works. You can't just reduce the infection rate, say "good job!" and reopen. All that will do is cause everyone to get sick and completely negate everything. You need to get the curve flat enough to stay under hospital capacity then keep it there for an extended period until there is herd immunity or a vaccine is developed. The whole point is lengthening the time period to reduce the number of people needing care at once.

Perhaps this simple graph can help you understand. Notice the blue (social distancing) is longer than the red? (Letting the virus run wild.)



Think of it like watering a plant. In this analogy, the water is people with Coronavirus who need intensive care to survive. The pot is the hospital. If you just dump all the water in at once, the pot will overflow. All that overflowed water equals people who can't get a hospital bed and die. However, if you pour it slowly and give the water time to absorb into the soil, nothing spills. Yes, it takes longer to water the plant, but you don't spill any water.

Oh, and you're really not going to like this: right now, confirmed cases are about 0.2% of the population, and a vaccine is probably a year or more away from mass production. We are going to need a lot more than 2 months before we have herd immunity or a vaccine.

If the plan is to quarantine for 2 years that’s not a plan

The other plan is let up to 1.8 million Americans die. Maybe your haircut is more important to you than mass murder, but not to me.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/21/839456638/what-happens-if-u-s-reopens-too-fast-federal-documents-show-coronavirus-projecti

[Anonymous]

The death rate has failed to meet the chicken little predictions.

And when you consider the number of exposed people may actually be 30+ times higher than initially estimated, COVID 19 is actually far less lethal than ordinary influenza.


So we threw our economy away because we trusted faulty science.

It will take a generation to undo the economic damage we have willingly done to ourselves in two months.


It wasn’t worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The death rate has failed to meet the chicken little predictions.

And when you consider the number of exposed people may actually be 30+ times higher than initially estimated, COVID 19 is actually far less lethal than ordinary influenza.


So we threw our economy away because we trusted faulty science.

It will take a generation to undo the economic damage we have willingly done to ourselves in two months.


It wasn’t worth it.

This x 1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

I do. Any your indifference doesn't out weigh the numbers or their significance.

I truly wish all you people would just form your own state or country or something. Maybe a special district??? You can all move there - party, socialize, shop, shake hands, hug each other, and generally just infect each other. One caveat - you don't get to come out of your little jurisdiction for medical treatment or aid.

Seriously, if you can make your own fiefdoms (and I'm sure you'd be happy to go) - I'd be happy to help you pack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The death rate has failed to meet the chicken little predictions.

And when you consider the number of exposed people may actually be 30+ times higher than initially estimated, COVID 19 is actually far less lethal than ordinary influenza.


So we threw our economy away because we trusted faulty science.

It will take a generation to undo the economic damage we have willingly done to ourselves in two months.


It wasn’t worth it.

What you don't know or understand is staggering.

They are still learning and discovering things about this virus daily and weekly. Worldwide. What makes you so much smarter and know so much more than all the medical experts on the planet. What is your medical speciality and qualifications??

Oh, right........

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Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

You really can't figure out who cares?

I know too many people care but are missing the point that the number is dramatically lower than what would be sufficient to overwhelm the health care system which was the entire goal of this pause

Our health care system IS overwhelmed. I have a friend who is an ICU nurse. If she is working with non-COVID patients, she gets one mask a week. Normally she would be changing her masks every patient, or every shift depending what she is doing.

ICU doctors are using less than ideal medications to paralyze and sedate patients for intubation, because of shortages of critical meds like IV fentanyl.

Doctors around the country are cancelling procedures like biopsies, and orthopedic surgery, because they can't get the PPE to do them safely.

People in nursing homes are dying when staff catch COVID and spread it from patient to patient because of lack of PPE.

Patients who need medical equipment at home are being asked to wash and reuse things like ventilator circuits that are supposed to be disposable.

How is this not an overwhelmed medical system?

Yes, we brought the numbers down, that's great, but unless we're careful about how we open up, they'll just spike again, and given that the system is already overwhelmed, we clearly can't handle that. So, we need to move cautiously while continuing to solve the issues that are currently overwhelming our health care system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

You really can't figure out who cares?

I know too many people care but are missing the point that the number is dramatically lower than what would be sufficient to overwhelm the health care system which was the entire goal of this pause

Our health care system IS overwhelmed. I have a friend who is an ICU nurse. If she is working with non-COVID patients, she gets one mask a week. Normally she would be changing her masks every patient, or every shift depending what she is doing.

ICU doctors are using less than ideal medications to paralyze and sedate patients for intubation, because of shortages of critical meds like IV fentanyl.

Doctors around the country are cancelling procedures like biopsies, and orthopedic surgery, because they can't get the PPE to do them safely.

People in nursing homes are dying when staff catch COVID and spread it from patient to patient because of lack of PPE.

Patients who need medical equipment at home are being asked to wash and reuse things like ventilator circuits that are supposed to be disposable.

How is this not an overwhelmed medical system?

Yes, we brought the numbers down, that's great, but unless we're careful about how we open up, they'll just spike again, and given that the system is already overwhelmed, we clearly can't handle that. So, we need to move cautiously while continuing to solve the issues that are currently overwhelming our health care system.

A whole bunch of malarkey here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The death rate has failed to meet the chicken little predictions.

And when you consider the number of exposed people may actually be 30+ times higher than initially estimated, COVID 19 is actually far less lethal than ordinary influenza.


So we threw our economy away because we trusted faulty science.

It will take a generation to undo the economic damage we have willingly done to ourselves in two months.


It wasn’t worth it.

Regardless of what the fatality rate turns out to be, in terms of total deaths COVID-19 has killed as many as a pretty bad flu season already, in less time, despite social distancing, and is ongoing. There's no way to plausibly claim this is less serious than the flu.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers small. Who cares

You really can't figure out who cares?

I know too many people care but are missing the point that the number is dramatically lower than what would be sufficient to overwhelm the health care system which was the entire goal of this pause

Our health care system IS overwhelmed. I have a friend who is an ICU nurse. If she is working with non-COVID patients, she gets one mask a week. Normally she would be changing her masks every patient, or every shift depending what she is doing.

ICU doctors are using less than ideal medications to paralyze and sedate patients for intubation, because of shortages of critical meds like IV fentanyl.

Doctors around the country are cancelling procedures like biopsies, and orthopedic surgery, because they can't get the PPE to do them safely.

People in nursing homes are dying when staff catch COVID and spread it from patient to patient because of lack of PPE.

Patients who need medical equipment at home are being asked to wash and reuse things like ventilator circuits that are supposed to be disposable.

How is this not an overwhelmed medical system?

Yes, we brought the numbers down, that's great, but unless we're careful about how we open up, they'll just spike again, and given that the system is already overwhelmed, we clearly can't handle that. So, we need to move cautiously while continuing to solve the issues that are currently overwhelming our health care system.

A whole bunch of malarkey here

How so? Do you have evidence that any of that isn't true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spread has been along the I-95 corridor. There are construction sites in NoVa that haven't shut down and are full of construction workers who cross the bridge every day from Maryland.

Unlike in NY state, DC has kept construction sites open. Bowser considers construction of more mixed use and market rate condos to be essential. As the WSJ recently pointed out, it is pretty difficult to maintain social distancing in construction.

[Anonymous]

Montgomery County hospitals have been on continuous “blue alert” since Sunday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hospitals have been on continuous “blue alert” since Sunday.

What does that mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Spread has been along the I-95 corridor. There are construction sites in NoVa that haven't shut down and are full of construction workers who cross the bridge every day from Maryland.

Unlike in NY state, DC has kept construction sites open. Bowser considers construction of more mixed use and market rate condos to be essential. As the WSJ recently pointed out, it is pretty difficult to maintain social distancing in construction.

Right. So silly to not light EVERYONE’s livelihoods on fire. I mean, who cares about families losing everything. Let them eat cake! Stay home foreverrrrrrrr wails the utterly impractical ninny.

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Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County hospitals have been on continuous “blue alert” since Sunday.

What does that mean?

It is a way for ambulances to get routed to the most available hospital because of capacity issues. I think they have been on Blue Alert since Saturday, actually:

Pete Piringer
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Hospitals are busy & CCU beds are ALL full, in fact
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‘BLUE ALERT’ Will be in effect for the foreseeable future - Stay Home, Essential Travel ONLY