Baptism if parents aren't believers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it wrong to baptize a baby if the parents aren't believers? Or is it justified if it will give peace to grandparents and promote family harmony?

Yes, it is wrong. Grow a back bone.

It's hypocritical and if they are butting in to your decisions now just wait.

I am not that PP but this is VERY funny - you asking someone to grow a backbone and start a family fight over something they don't believe in and couldn't care less about.

Should we start telling people to f**k off when they say "god bless you" after we sneeze also? Avoid religious weddings and funerals? Haven't you ever participated in a ceremony for a religion other than your own?

Much easier to go through motions and make everyone happy. Seems to bother no one except you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, you went into a religious ritual that was important to your spouse intending to stop the ritual and walk out when they got to the most sacred part? You would have done that? And they just happened to not follow the standard liturgy, so your spouse got lucky?

I can not imagine doing that to someone I wanted to have a respectful relationship with.

No, I intended to walk out of the pre-baptismal event after answering honestly. That didn't happen. The priest came in - he'd been at a wedding ceremony earlier and was in a good mood - and told us what was going to happen.

All I remember is him asking the godparents the name at the altar, saying I baptise thee, and moving on to the next family. If I had been asked the question during the ceremony - which I wasn't - I would have said "no".

What is your problem? Why would I lie about this? And why do you care?

Because you're making a mockery of something that's sacred to me?

If it wasn't important to either parent, why did you do it?

Do you really need that question answered? Other family and keeping the peace with them, particularly FIL.

I didn't make a mockery of anything, either. I kept my mouth shut.

But you stated that you expected them to ask during the ceremony (those are your words) if you believed, and you intended to leave at that point. So, your in laws just got lucky that you weren't paying attention at a critical moment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, you went into a religious ritual that was important to your spouse intending to stop the ritual and walk out when they got to the most sacred part? You would have done that? And they just happened to not follow the standard liturgy, so your spouse got lucky?

I can not imagine doing that to someone I wanted to have a respectful relationship with.

No, I intended to walk out of the pre-baptismal event after answering honestly. That didn't happen. The priest came in - he'd been at a wedding ceremony earlier and was in a good mood - and told us what was going to happen.

All I remember is him asking the godparents the name at the altar, saying I baptise thee, and moving on to the next family. If I had been asked the question during the ceremony - which I wasn't - I would have said "no".

What is your problem? Why would I lie about this? And why do you care?

Because you're making a mockery of something that's sacred to me?

If it wasn't important to either parent, why did you do it?

Do you really need that question answered? Other family and keeping the peace with them, particularly FIL.

I didn't make a mockery of anything, either. I kept my mouth shut.

But you stated that you expected them to ask during the ceremony (those are your words) if you believed, and you intended to leave at that point. So, your in laws just got lucky that you weren't paying attention at a critical moment?

If you had actually READ my words, you would get that there was a pre-session with a priest (at someone's home) and the priest told us exactly what would occur. It was after that I intended to withdraw - but that question wasn't asked at the pre-session and wasn't part of the description as to how it would occur at the ceremony, which went exactly as the priest said it would.

You will have to accept that there are priests and churches who understand the complexities of families and prioritize accordingly. While that was my first child's baptism it certainly wasn't that priest's, who did it monthly. He understood the situation better than I (or you!) initially gave him credit for.

Don't you think they know this is how they get more kids baptized this way?

[Anonymous]

" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

For the 5th time or so, I was not asked to say this, and did not say it. Nor was I asked to promise to raise the kids in the faith. If asked I would NOT have lied. I was told in advance what would happen at the ceremony.

How many times do I have to type this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

You realize that someone other than parents can be sponsors, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

You realize that someone other than parents can be sponsors, right?

In infant baptism in the Catholic church, that question is asked of the parents AND the sponsors. RCIA would be different, of course, but since the sponsors are essentially back up for the parents, all of them answer the question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

For the 5th time or so, I was not asked to say this, and did not say it. Nor was I asked to promise to raise the kids in the faith. If asked I would NOT have lied. I was told in advance what would happen at the ceremony.

How many times do I have to type this?

I am this PP. What Church?
I am not Catholic but when our Church baptizes people everyone on the alter is supposed to say it?

[Anonymous]

Will you be responsible for seeing that the child you present
is brought up in the Christian faith and life?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.

Celebrant

Will you by your prayers and witness help this child to grow
into the full stature of Christ?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.

Then the Celebrant asks the following questions of the candidates who
can speak for themselves, and of the parents and godparents who speak
on behalf of the infants and younger children
Question Do you renounce Satan and all the spiritual forces
of wickedness that rebel against God?
Answer I renounce them.

Question Do you renounce the evil powers of this world
which corrupt and destroy the creatures of God?
Answer I renounce them.

Question Do you renounce all sinful desires that draw you
from the love of God?
Answer I renounce them.

Question Do you turn to Jesus Christ and accept him as your
Savior?
Answer I do.

Question Do you put your whole trust in his grace and love?
Answer I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

For the 5th time or so, I was not asked to say this, and did not say it. Nor was I asked to promise to raise the kids in the faith. If asked I would NOT have lied. I was told in advance what would happen at the ceremony.

How many times do I have to type this?

I am this PP. What Church?
I am not Catholic but when our Church baptizes people everyone on the alter is supposed to say it?

I won't identify the church. It is in an affluent NYC suburb and is fairly large.

[Anonymous]

See above: Parents AND Godparents " I will with Gods help"

This is from an Episcopal baptism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

For the 5th time or so, I was not asked to say this, and did not say it. Nor was I asked to promise to raise the kids in the faith. If asked I would NOT have lied. I was told in advance what would happen at the ceremony.

How many times do I have to type this?

I am this PP. What Church?
I am not Catholic but when our Church baptizes people everyone on the alter is supposed to say it?

I won't identify the church. It is in an affluent NYC suburb and is fairly large.

Yep, sounds like Jersey to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:" I believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit" is part of the baptism service. If you can't say that without lying them don't do it. It is hypocritical.

For the 5th time or so, I was not asked to say this, and did not say it. Nor was I asked to promise to raise the kids in the faith. If asked I would NOT have lied. I was told in advance what would happen at the ceremony.

How many times do I have to type this?

I am this PP. What Church?
I am not Catholic but when our Church baptizes people everyone on the alter is supposed to say it?

I won't identify the church. It is in an affluent NYC suburb and is fairly large.

Yep, sounds like Jersey to me.

Lol you probably meant that as a pejorative so you fail twice! You, sir, are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had both kids baptized because it was important to grandparents. Not sure what would be wrong with it if everyone’s on board.

The point of baptism is swearing that you will raise the child in faith.

That's why we didn't do it. Wasn't going to stand up before other people and lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had both kids baptized because it was important to grandparents. Not sure what would be wrong with it if everyone’s on board.

The point of baptism is swearing that you will raise the child in faith.

That's why we didn't do it. Wasn't going to stand up before other people and lie.

And what do you think that even means?
It is not swearing that the kid will be a fanatic cult member