College/Universities not offering refunds for 2020 Year

[Anonymous]

America is doomed. It is overrun by individuals with a sense of entitlement and a bunch of whiners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is doomed. It is overrun by individuals with a sense of entitlement and a bunch of whiners.

+1

Agree. We are dealing with a WORLD WIDE epidemic, and there is absolutely no precedent for it. University heads are literally staying up day and night trying to piece together what they can for your kids. You need to realize that not everything works on your schedule. We are accustomed to shopping at Amazon and Zappos. Higher education is not that.

[Anonymous]

Professor,
And I speak as a former one. What you are doing is not different than what other millions are doing - trying to figure out how to complete your job in a new medium. Yes, it's hard. Join the club. Now I'm in healthcare, the providers and support staff are the people we should be saving our symptahy for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think it's very generous that colleges and universities are refunding for room and board. It's not like they can re-purpose those dorm rooms...they are just losing that money that they expected to get, which will be millions of dollars. The idea that you should get tuition back is ridiculous. Universities are making huge efforts to deliver content online...this is not an easy task, and you should be grateful that your kid is getting to finish the semester. Get over yourself and understand that this is a totally unforeseen situation that nobody could have planned for.

+1000

Agree as well. Besides, your child is still earning the credit. Sure, some of you will argue that you're paying for the education and the on-campus experience, but face it. Many of you are paying for the school name on the diploma.

[Anonymous]

I can see offering a prorated room and board refund--if the classes are continuing on-line and students get credit there should be no tuition refund. I guess they could extend the "withdrawal" period where there's some tuition given back if students didn't want credit for their spring semester, but I would imagine most students wouldn't want that anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

HAHA! Actually it does say that you have to pay tuition!

Believe me, they include language about national emergency in tuition contracts. They would be idiots not to. Also, you're required to pay the dorms in full. It's just an olive branch that they're not requiring you to do so. Here's a thought: READ your contract before you sign it next time. For almost all universities, if you attend class for more than 2 or 3 weeks you are responsible for paying for the entire semester regardless of what unforeseen situation comes up.

READ before you sign next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

It sounds like you're salty because you blindly signed a contract and are stuck paying it...

I'm sorry. It must be incredibly difficult to go through life being this stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I have a refund of my taxes if public schools are closed the rest of the year?

Shut up. Idiot.

It's the same concept as the OP. And yes, I agree with you that it is stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

It sounds like you're salty because you blindly signed a contract and are stuck paying it...

I'm sorry. It must be incredibly difficult to go through life being this stupid.

My kid is in elementary school, silly. It’s just funny to listen to a professor whine that he or she has to actually do something besides drone through the same prewritten lecture twice a week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

Oh, we work ten hours a week and pull down 6 figure incomes. Right...do you realize how much you keep showing your absolute ignorance of how academia works??

[Anonymous]

I hope that Warren’s loan forgiveness proposal becomes law (10k wiped away) and that assuming arguendo there’s a future in this country, the college/loans racket is transformed into something better. The crisis has exposed vast inequality in America and life should be altered for greedy colleges. Sadly, I think this will make the elites even more intent on maintaining the social hierarchy—with themselves on top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be a little pissed paying $70k for online classes.

I’m paying 75k each for two DC who are now home and will be learning online. I think their colleges have done the best they could in a very difficult and dynamic situation and the last thing i am concerned with right now is trying to claw back money.

I have one child in college, not two. But feel the same way and we pay 75K. We are not wealthy, just saved well and only had one child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

It sounds like you're salty because you blindly signed a contract and are stuck paying it...

I'm sorry. It must be incredibly difficult to go through life being this stupid.

My kid is in elementary school, silly. It’s just funny to listen to a professor whine that he or she has to actually do something besides drone through the same prewritten lecture twice a week.

NP. Your kid is in elementary school? You have less than zero knowledge about this topic, then. If you think you can bring your ugly snark here because professors "droned through prewritten lectures" back in your day at wherever you went to college, you are beyond clueless, and I pity your child, especially when the time comes for your child to apply to colleges.

Your blanket assumptions about how college education works and what professors do is laughable. Are there dud professors? Yes, just like there are dud parents who think it's fine to criticize posters about whom they know nothing.

No, I'm not a professor but I pay attention to what my college student's professors do, and they actually earn every penny they make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This line of reasoning is SO entitled and uninformed.

I am a college professor. I cannot tell you how much extra work it is to take fully developed in person courses and convert them to DL (distance learning) format. We are also having to take intensive training in multiple platforms, to pull this off. You do NOT deserve a refund of tuition if your school is finishing classes up online. We don't push some button and that all works, seamlessly. I know science professors who are in labs doing experiments, so kids have data to analyze and write up from home.

Jeez, this is a national crisis. You likely deserve room and board credits. But you do not deserve tuition refunds. Trust me, from someone on the inside (who is working way more, and harder, than I was when we were doing in person teaching).

Well, you sure sound entitled yourself. If I pay for a service of specific quality and that quality is not met, of course I deserve a refund. And, of course, if the university keeps you employed, you deserve your salary. You assume I, the consumer, pay directly your salary. No, I pay the university, which has its own mechanisms, including insurance, bankruptcy coverage, and so on.

It's not about faculty not doing their job, it's about the contract signed. Does it say in small print "and it's valid even for online teaching in emergency situations"? If yes, then I should pay. If not, then let's talk about it. We anyway don't pay real price, i.e., quality of teaching. Some pay for brand, for the child's experience, especially for ivies, expensive privates, rubbing elbows with so and so ... how is that going on work with DL?

The Professor is just salty because he or she now has to work over 10 hours a week for that six figure salary.

It sounds like you're salty because you blindly signed a contract and are stuck paying it...

I'm sorry. It must be incredibly difficult to go through life being this stupid.

My kid is in elementary school, silly. It’s just funny to listen to a professor whine that he or she has to actually do something besides drone through the same prewritten lecture twice a week.

NP. Your kid is in elementary school? You have less than zero knowledge about this topic, then. If you think you can bring your ugly snark here because professors "droned through prewritten lectures" back in your day at wherever you went to college, you are beyond clueless, and I pity your child, especially when the time comes for your child to apply to colleges.

Your blanket assumptions about how college education works and what professors do is laughable. Are there dud professors? Yes, just like there are dud parents who think it's fine to criticize posters about whom they know nothing.

No, I'm not a professor but I pay attention to what my college student's professors do, and they actually earn every penny they make.

Oh, you so are a professor.