Time to get rid of “prayer” in government

[Anonymous]

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It’s in China where you get imprisoned for sharing your faith — not here — not yet.

Here we still have: “In God We Trust”.

No need to get imprisoned here, but keep your gods out of official government work.

So? That’s a phrase pushed by religious nutters during the Civil War.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or you could go find somewhere else to live.

No, I’m here and you can’t force your religious beliefs on me.

But you're more than happy to force your beliefs on others, huh?

You're a troll anyway, just trying to foment outrage. Who cares what you think. Go away.

No. I will not force my beliefs about gods on anyone in government work. Just like no one should be forcing their beliefs about whatever gods on others.

The funny thing is, you're every bit as evangelical about spreading your atheism as the most strident evangelical missionary is about spreading their message.

You just can't see it. Your hatred blinds you to this irony.

For the rest of us, it's glowing like a neon sign though!

I’m not. You can believe whatever crap you went on your own time. In government spaces though you should shut your pie hole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or you could go find somewhere else to live.

No, I’m here and you can’t force your religious beliefs on me.

But you're more than happy to force your beliefs on others, huh?

You're a troll anyway, just trying to foment outrage. Who cares what you think. Go away.

No. I will not force my beliefs about gods on anyone in government work. Just like no one should be forcing their beliefs about whatever gods on others.

The funny thing is, you're every bit as evangelical about spreading your atheism as the most strident evangelical missionary is about spreading their message.

You just can't see it. Your hatred blinds you to this irony.

For the rest of us, it's glowing like a neon sign though!

I’m not. You can believe whatever crap you went on your own time. In government spaces though you should shut your pie hole.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or you could go find somewhere else to live.

No, I’m here and you can’t force your religious beliefs on me.

But you're more than happy to force your beliefs on others, huh?

You're a troll anyway, just trying to foment outrage. Who cares what you think. Go away.

No. I will not force my beliefs about gods on anyone in government work. Just like no one should be forcing their beliefs about whatever gods on others.

The funny thing is, you're every bit as evangelical about spreading your atheism as the most strident evangelical missionary is about spreading their message.

You just can't see it. Your hatred blinds you to this irony.

For the rest of us, it's glowing like a neon sign though!

I’m not. You can believe whatever crap you went on your own time. In government spaces though you should shut your pie hole.

Please keep your religion to yourself.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or you could go find somewhere else to live.

No, I’m here and you can’t force your religious beliefs on me.

But you're more than happy to force your beliefs on others, huh?

You're a troll anyway, just trying to foment outrage. Who cares what you think. Go away.

No. I will not force my beliefs about gods on anyone in government work. Just like no one should be forcing their beliefs about whatever gods on others.

The funny thing is, you're every bit as evangelical about spreading your atheism as the most strident evangelical missionary is about spreading their message.

You just can't see it. Your hatred blinds you to this irony.

For the rest of us, it's glowing like a neon sign though!

I’m not. You can believe whatever crap you went on your own time. In government spaces though you should shut your pie hole.

Please keep your religion to yourself.

Thanks!

Exactly. It has no place in government work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This crap has no place in government. Practice what you want at home but don’t bring it into official government work.

“Va. House Democrats protest opening prayer as conservative pastor condemns abortion, gay marriage“
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2020/02/11/va-house-democrats-protest-opening-prayer-as-conservative-pastor-condemns-abortion-gay-marriage/

Democrats walked off the floor of the House of Delegates Tuesday morning as the pastor invited to give the opening prayer delivered stinging remarks condemning abortion and gay marriage and said God would bring his “wrath” against those who don’t follow biblical principles.

Democrats were sharply critical of the prayer’s tone, calling it a breach of the normal protocols for guest clergy.

“It was totally disrespectful to all of us, all of us in this House,” said Del. Luke Torian, D-Prince William, who is a pastor himself.

As he walked off, a man accompanying Grant asked a group of reporters if they were aware that “sodomy” was once considered an offense worthy of capital punishment. He declined to give his name.

Even some Republicans said they felt the tone was inappropriate.

“I don’t know if he was ill-instructed or didn’t realize what he was here to do,” said Del. Matt Fariss, R-Campbell. “This wasn’t the place or the time to do all of that. … This is a time we need to be working together and not being divisive.”

“In many ways it felt like condemnation,” McQuinn said of Tuesday’s prayer.

“Most of the clergy that come here have been very respectful of the opportunity extended to them,”

They shouldn’t have the “opportunity” at all. They shouldn’t force their religious beliefs on others in this manner.

That wasn’t forcing religious beliefs; it was pushing a political agenda. Either way, it was inappropriate.

Same thing.

No, it’s not. Abortion and gay marriage are political issues. They’re not religious beliefs per se.

If the minister said that salvation was only through Jesus Christ and the Bible, that would be forcing religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This crap has no place in government. Practice what you want at home but don’t bring it into official government work.

“Va. House Democrats protest opening prayer as conservative pastor condemns abortion, gay marriage“
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2020/02/11/va-house-democrats-protest-opening-prayer-as-conservative-pastor-condemns-abortion-gay-marriage/

Democrats walked off the floor of the House of Delegates Tuesday morning as the pastor invited to give the opening prayer delivered stinging remarks condemning abortion and gay marriage and said God would bring his “wrath” against those who don’t follow biblical principles.

Democrats were sharply critical of the prayer’s tone, calling it a breach of the normal protocols for guest clergy.

“It was totally disrespectful to all of us, all of us in this House,” said Del. Luke Torian, D-Prince William, who is a pastor himself.

As he walked off, a man accompanying Grant asked a group of reporters if they were aware that “sodomy” was once considered an offense worthy of capital punishment. He declined to give his name.

Even some Republicans said they felt the tone was inappropriate.

“I don’t know if he was ill-instructed or didn’t realize what he was here to do,” said Del. Matt Fariss, R-Campbell. “This wasn’t the place or the time to do all of that. … This is a time we need to be working together and not being divisive.”

“In many ways it felt like condemnation,” McQuinn said of Tuesday’s prayer.

“Most of the clergy that come here have been very respectful of the opportunity extended to them,”

They shouldn’t have the “opportunity” at all. They shouldn’t force their religious beliefs on others in this manner.

That wasn’t forcing religious beliefs; it was pushing a political agenda. Either way, it was inappropriate.

Same thing.

No, it’s not. Abortion and gay marriage are political issues. They’re not religious beliefs per se.

If the minister said that salvation was only through Jesus Christ and the Bible, that would be forcing religious beliefs.

They are only political issues because religious people try to push their beliefs on others.

Remove religion and those “political issues” are nonexistent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This crap has no place in government. Practice what you want at home but don’t bring it into official government work.

“Va. House Democrats protest opening prayer as conservative pastor condemns abortion, gay marriage“
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2020/02/11/va-house-democrats-protest-opening-prayer-as-conservative-pastor-condemns-abortion-gay-marriage/

Democrats walked off the floor of the House of Delegates Tuesday morning as the pastor invited to give the opening prayer delivered stinging remarks condemning abortion and gay marriage and said God would bring his “wrath” against those who don’t follow biblical principles.

Democrats were sharply critical of the prayer’s tone, calling it a breach of the normal protocols for guest clergy.

“It was totally disrespectful to all of us, all of us in this House,” said Del. Luke Torian, D-Prince William, who is a pastor himself.

As he walked off, a man accompanying Grant asked a group of reporters if they were aware that “sodomy” was once considered an offense worthy of capital punishment. He declined to give his name.

Even some Republicans said they felt the tone was inappropriate.

“I don’t know if he was ill-instructed or didn’t realize what he was here to do,” said Del. Matt Fariss, R-Campbell. “This wasn’t the place or the time to do all of that. … This is a time we need to be working together and not being divisive.”

“In many ways it felt like condemnation,” McQuinn said of Tuesday’s prayer.

“Most of the clergy that come here have been very respectful of the opportunity extended to them,”

They shouldn’t have the “opportunity” at all. They shouldn’t force their religious beliefs on others in this manner.

That wasn’t forcing religious beliefs; it was pushing a political agenda. Either way, it was inappropriate.

Same thing.

No, it’s not. Abortion and gay marriage are political issues. They’re not religious beliefs per se.

If the minister said that salvation was only through Jesus Christ and the Bible, that would be forcing religious beliefs.

They are only political issues because religious people try to push their beliefs on others.

Remove religion and those “political issues” are nonexistent.

I'd disagree on that point. Sure for some it may have a religious basis, but I would say it comes from fundamentally different moral foundations per Haidt. Conservatives have lower thresholds for "disgust", higher desire for "sanctity", whereas liberals have higher desires for fairness and care. If you view those two issues in that light, rather than religion, you would still have the same political issues.

[Anonymous]

Religion has no place in government. Separation of church and state. “God” is a fairly generic terms that is common to three major religions so somehwat innocuous when appearing on the dollar and in the pledge. Also, perhaps when used in those instances what it really means is that in our country, the dollar is God.