First hearing on districtwide boundary study is tonight

[Anonymous]

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News flash: the BOE doesn’t give a hoot about public comment. All they care about is taking a position where they can be assured that they will get the union endorsement, and thus, win their election.

This X100. The MCPS employees do not care whether kids are bussed or not. As long as the BOE keeps the raises up and accountability for employees low it only needs to distract the public. What better way then to start pursuing one of the most antagonistic and failed educational actions ever -bussing.

The whole boundary discussion is a wonderful distraction for the BOE because it distracts from all the other failures within MCPS. They will keep the public enraged and engages about bussing for the next few years while they continue to fail to implement student safety, address predators on MCPS staff, screw up yet another curriculum, see their scores drop even more, buildings fall further into disrepair, spend more on consultants and lawyers to get them out of their self inflicted messes etc etc.

I'm not saying that some BOE members do not believe whole heartedly in forced bussing. Several do because they are stuck in the 1970s but not smart enough to remember how badly it failed.

Agree completely.

I have attended and watched some BOE meetings and this is definitely how I feel. MCPS is such a failure, that this is just one more distraction instead of actually making meaningful improvements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds to me like the BOE doesn't have a clue as to why certain schools are underperforming, so they think if they just shuffle the deck, the problem will disappear. Our schools are already quite diverse. The BOE needs to figure out how to raise up the underperfroming schools, not how to knock down the better schools to their level.

Actually, no! It is a well-known fact that low-income students do better at schools that lack high concentrations of poverty. BOE members have stated this.

The goal is to educate all students not just those lucky enough to live in a W pyramid with gerrymandered boundaries from the Jim Crowe era.

[Anonymous]

Low performers will behave even worse in high score school. It doesn't matter what diversity it is and what resources he/she has. Students perform best when they are similar levels.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds to me like the BOE doesn't have a clue as to why certain schools are underperforming, so they think if they just shuffle the deck, the problem will disappear. Our schools are already quite diverse. The BOE needs to figure out how to raise up the underperfroming schools, not how to knock down the better schools to their level.

Actually, no! It is a well-known fact that low-income students do better at schools that lack high concentrations of poverty. BOE members have stated this.

The goal is to educate all students not just those lucky enough to live in a W pyramid with gerrymandered boundaries from the Jim Crowe era.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

My kids have friends who are saying, "But property values!" which they surely heard their parents say. Are those the kids you're referring to?

All of them. They don’t know anything and aren’t old enough to have nuanced views on complicated education issues beyond what they parrot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

Or it could be that they have their own thoughts and opinions and based on their lived experiences, they value diversity. Seems like you haven't actually ever talked to a variety of high schools students. You might be surprised at how much they really know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

So, you don't think it's possible for HSers to have any opinions of their own regarding education? HSers aren't sophisticated. Most adults aren't even sophisticated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds to me like the BOE doesn't have a clue as to why certain schools are underperforming, so they think if they just shuffle the deck, the problem will disappear. Our schools are already quite diverse. The BOE needs to figure out how to raise up the underperfroming schools, not how to knock down the better schools to their level.

BOE cannot figure it out because it is not possible to raise those schools.
It is possible to raise individual students, but sometimes they are the wrong demographic, and there is no interest right now to so that .

I think overall property values will be OK because the entire region is going to try the shuffling approach. It won't do a bit of good for the troubled students, sadly, but since there is no safe place school-wise for the middle class to go, values will become more dependent on commutes. Places not vulnerable to redistricting are already expensive and will rise nicely, but they are already outside most budgets.

I do predict the rise of a good, academically rigorous 15k-20k private schools with large class sizes for disciplined children and a merit-based entrance exam. The middle class can afford that kind of tuition, and will spend it rather than attend Neelesville equivalents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

Or it could be that they have their own thoughts and opinions and based on their lived experiences, they value diversity. Seems like you haven't actually ever talked to a variety of high schools students. You might be surprised at how much they really know.

Right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

So, you don't think it's possible for HSers to have any opinions of their own regarding education? HSers aren't sophisticated. Most adults aren't even sophisticated.

Of course it is possible. Just this particular group does not seem to possess independent thinking. They’re just regurgitating the talking points they’ve been spoon fed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I applaud those that spoke last night. Both sides did a great job and I watched the whole thing online with my children. I am so supremely impressed with our counties high school students. And for everyone who is constantly bashing the BOE...would you want that gig? would you want to get paid what $25K and have everyone know who you are etc? No you wouldn't. You may not agree with all of what they say or do but you have to commend them for serving the public because that is exactly what they are doing with those salaries and the hours they put in. Also the speaker who put up the stats regarding KP and GP etc.....she did a great job.....that is what people need to see....areas where we can fix inequities right on boundary lines.....stop talking about bussing! The county is not going to ship people from one end to the other but where available along boundary lines they need to readdress and I am happy to see that they are!

To me it is sad because it seems adults are telling them exactly what to think about all this stuff. It doesn’t appear any of them think for themselves or can provide a unique perspective.

what makes you say that? What are some examples that make you think this? Do you think teens are just inherently selfish so there is no way that they would want equity? Doesn't the fact that they are students who go to these schools give them a more unique perspective than parents?

It is no coincidence these kids hold exactly the same progressive views as the BOE, MCCPTA, and the like. No one says anything remotely unique or interesting or sophisticated. They’re just parroting what they hear the correct thing is—ie diversity trumps all. It is patently obvious.

So, you don't think it's possible for HSers to have any opinions of their own regarding education? HSers aren't sophisticated. Most adults aren't even sophisticated.

Of course it is possible. Just this particular group does not seem to possess independent thinking. They’re just regurgitating the talking points they’ve been spoon fed.

Hmmm, seems like that's what you're doing.

[Anonymous]

When you were in high school were you ever as passionate about anything as these kids? Did you ever take time out of your schedule to wait all night to testify to a BOE for something that won’t even benefit you directly? No. You didn’t then and you won’t now. You will just sit there behind a keyboard and complain. Complain about things that many of these teens don’t have the luxury to complain about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you were in high school were you ever as passionate about anything as these kids? Did you ever take time out of your schedule to wait all night to testify to a BOE for something that won’t even benefit you directly? No. You didn’t then and you won’t now. You will just sit there behind a keyboard and complain. Complain about things that many of these teens don’t have the luxury to complain about.

When I was in high school virtue signaling left-wing propaganda about diversity wasn’t a thing. But, I have spent an enormous part of my life and career writing and thinking about complex issues in advocacy. But this isn’t about me.

[Anonymous]

And it’s not a thing now.... these kids live it every day and they are passionate about it.... they are not doing this because adults are telling them to! Is that what teenagers do? They go to BOE meetings to testify what adults tell them to say? That just doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous]

Is there a way to see what the KP Garrett park presentation was about? Or can someone summarize?