How is your 4th grader at CES doing so far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a CES parent, but our school has been invaded by Center kids (Chevy Chase) which added dozens of kids last year when we lost our 6th grade. They comprise almost 60% of the school or more now. Reading about all of the extras your kids get makes my blood boil. Meanwhile, local kids can't even have lunch together anymore because recess and lunch were split up.to accommodate your kids. Our Principal could care less about the social emotion damage done to our kids who are sitting alone at recess.

And here you are worrying about your kids enrichment when local kids are not getting the attention they need from teachers and falling through the cracks.

This private school (Center) within a public school needs to end. Hope you all realize how lucky you are at the sacrifice of the local kids.

You are the poster who already complained vehemently about this situation at Chevy Chase. You were told to calm down, because lunch would be divided anyway, since there are three grades at this elementary, not the standard six. Thus the grades are more populated and can’t fit in the cafeteria.

As for enrichment, most of us wish this was the standard for all kids. Some of us have other kids who did not get in, we know the feeling!!!!
So you don’t need to be so bitter and antagonistic. I enriched my son’s education at home when he did not get in, and now he is in a selective high school program.

Strategize for your long term goals instead of complaining. It will get you further.

Touched a nerve did I? Not sure who the other posters are you are referring to but you think I am the only neighborhood parent angry about this situation then you are wong. Far, far from it. Try dozens of parents are mad. So I don't have to calm down. I have a right to voice my opinion and concerns for the kids who don't get all the Center extras and special attention.

Why is it so hard to have a lunch for the Center kids and a lunch for the Rosemary Hills/neighborhood kids? It isn't. The two never interact all day. It is two schools in one school. There is something like 19 schools feeding into CCES right now.

All the neighborhood parents want is for their kids to be able to continue to grow their friendships so when they get to humongous Silver Creek, they have a network of friends in uncertain time.

Why do you have a problem with local parents wanting that? Center parents make a choice to come to our school for extra benefits. Local parents don't have a choice between two schools. I bet you have a kid in the center and one not so this whole lunch situation benefits your one kid to have it all. But that is NOT the feeling among the vast majority of local parents.

Also why should ANYONE have to do their own enrichment at home. You are unreal and in the minority. So entitled.

[Anonymous]

My Center kid would also rather have lunch/recess with the kids she has in class and not be split between two different lunch/recess groups but it is what it is. The Center is not even half of only the 4th and 5th grades (there are 3 Center classes and 4 non-Center classes in each grade). So there’s no way it’s 60% of the school when you add in the 3rd graders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Center kid would also rather have lunch/recess with the kids she has in class and not be split between two different lunch/recess groups but it is what it is. The Center is not even half of only the 4th and 5th grades (there are 3 Center classes and 4 non-Center classes in each grade). So there’s no way it’s 60% of the school when you add in the 3rd graders.

Hi Center Parent! Thank you for responding. We local parents suspected that Center kids would also want to be among their own classmates during lunch and recess to help facilitate closer friendships much quicker in a new school miles away from home. At this age and middle school, friendships are a huge part of school and the kids should not be denied this right.

It only benefits ALL of the kids socially and emotionally for the lunch split to be RHPS kids and Center kids in different lunches. Kids are apparently trying to sneak into other lunches because they are so lonely and are desperate to see their friends. The Principal statted taking attendance to stop this and lectured them. Now the kids and parents want to start a petition but they are afraid of the Princpal who is highly reactive and refuses to budge even if the kids are hurting.

So to the PP before you, we are "strategizing and moving forward". Maybe we bypass the Principal. I still have two more kids to go through this school.
I have a deeply vested interest. Thanks for the tip! Already on it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a CES parent, but our school has been invaded by Center kids (Chevy Chase) which added dozens of kids last year when we lost our 6th grade. They comprise almost 60% of the school or more now. Reading about all of the extras your kids get makes my blood boil. Meanwhile, local kids can't even have lunch together anymore because recess and lunch were split up.to accommodate your kids. Our Principal could care less about the social emotion damage done to our kids who are sitting alone at recess.

And here you are worrying about your kids enrichment when local kids are not getting the attention they need from teachers and falling through the cracks.

This private school (Center) within a public school needs to end. Hope you all realize how lucky you are at the sacrifice of the local kids.

You are the poster who already complained vehemently about this situation at Chevy Chase. You were told to calm down, because lunch would be divided anyway, since there are three grades at this elementary, not the standard six. Thus the grades are more populated and can’t fit in the cafeteria.

As for enrichment, most of us wish this was the standard for all kids. Some of us have other kids who did not get in, we know the feeling!!!!
So you don’t need to be so bitter and antagonistic. I enriched my son’s education at home when he did not get in, and now he is in a selective high school program.

Strategize for your long term goals instead of complaining. It will get you further.

Touched a nerve did I? Not sure who the other posters are you are referring to but you think I am the only neighborhood parent angry about this situation then you are wong. Far, far from it. Try dozens of parents are mad. So I don't have to calm down. I have a right to voice my opinion and concerns for the kids who don't get all the Center extras and special attention.

Why is it so hard to have a lunch for the Center kids and a lunch for the Rosemary Hills/neighborhood kids? It isn't. The two never interact all day. It is two schools in one school. There is something like 19 schools feeding into CCES right now.

All the neighborhood parents want is for their kids to be able to continue to grow their friendships so when they get to humongous Silver Creek, they have a network of friends in uncertain time.

Why do you have a problem with local parents wanting that? Center parents make a choice to come to our school for extra benefits. Local parents don't have a choice between two schools. I bet you have a kid in the center and one not so this whole lunch situation benefits your one kid to have it all. But that is NOT the feeling among the vast majority of local parents.

Also why should ANYONE have to do their own enrichment at home. You are unreal and in the minority. So entitled.

PP you responded to. My CES child also complained she didn’t know anyone at lunch. I told her it was a good opportunity for her to make new friends.

I don’t complain, I find solutions. Education begins at home, so yes, I enriched my other child at home. Plenty of families do. Why would that be entitled?

Kids are coming from all over, and the Principal is trying to build a community.

Honestly, what I hear from you is barely concealed socio-economic bias - is it atrocious that children from diverse communities come to your wealthy homogeneous Chevy Chase enclave and take apparently un-deserved resources away from your children? I suspect this is what you’re really feeling. There is a word for that.

I am not the entitled person in this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Center kid would also rather have lunch/recess with the kids she has in class and not be split between two different lunch/recess groups but it is what it is. The Center is not even half of only the 4th and 5th grades (there are 3 Center classes and 4 non-Center classes in each grade). So there’s no way it’s 60% of the school when you add in the 3rd graders.

Hi Center Parent! Thank you for responding. We local parents suspected that Center kids would also want to be among their own classmates during lunch and recess to help facilitate closer friendships much quicker in a new school miles away from home. At this age and middle school, friendships are a huge part of school and the kids should not be denied this right.

It only benefits ALL of the kids socially and emotionally for the lunch split to be RHPS kids and Center kids in different lunches. Kids are apparently trying to sneak into other lunches because they are so lonely and are desperate to see their friends. The Principal statted taking attendance to stop this and lectured them. Now the kids and parents want to start a petition but they are afraid of the Princpal who is highly reactive and refuses to budge even if the kids are hurting.

So to the PP before you, we are "strategizing and moving forward". Maybe we bypass the Principal. I still have two more kids to go through this school.
I have a deeply vested interest. Thanks for the tip! Already on it!

Segregation. Separate but equal. Let’s not interact with the poors and coloreds.

This is what the Principal is fighting against. I support her.

[Anonymous]

Thee are at least 10-15 kids per grade in the Center that are ALSO in-bounds for CCES. Then there’s another group that came from NCC and RCF and will also go to Silver Creek. Most of the kids in both lunch groups will be going to Silver Creek. Another group will show up again at B-CC after going to Westland. Your in-bounds children mostly have lunch with kids they will go to middle school with.

FWIW, the racial/SES makeup of the Chevy Chase CES is not much different from that of the local population of kids. If anything it’s probably more socio-economically homogeneous than the CCES in-bounds population. OP’s complaints don’t really fit a bias narrative in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

^^sorry, complaining PP’s complaints, not OP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Center kid would also rather have lunch/recess with the kids she has in class and not be split between two different lunch/recess groups but it is what it is. The Center is not even half of only the 4th and 5th grades (there are 3 Center classes and 4 non-Center classes in each grade). So there’s no way it’s 60% of the school when you add in the 3rd graders.

Hi Center Parent! Thank you for responding. We local parents suspected that Center kids would also want to be among their own classmates during lunch and recess to help facilitate closer friendships much quicker in a new school miles away from home. At this age and middle school, friendships are a huge part of school and the kids should not be denied this right.

It only benefits ALL of the kids socially and emotionally for the lunch split to be RHPS kids and Center kids in different lunches. Kids are apparently trying to sneak into other lunches because they are so lonely and are desperate to see their friends. The Principal statted taking attendance to stop this and lectured them. Now the kids and parents want to start a petition but they are afraid of the Princpal who is highly reactive and refuses to budge even if the kids are hurting.

So to the PP before you, we are "strategizing and moving forward". Maybe we bypass the Principal. I still have two more kids to go through this school.
I have a deeply vested interest. Thanks for the tip! Already on it!

DP.
Drama queen much? If your kids are so 'lonely, desperate and hurting' if they don't get to eat with their friends once a day, you have way more serious problems than academic enrichment. Plus, what's stopping your children from seeing their friends after school? You are all neighbors, aren't you, unlike the poors that invade your precious school from the wrong side of the tracks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Center kid would also rather have lunch/recess with the kids she has in class and not be split between two different lunch/recess groups but it is what it is. The Center is not even half of only the 4th and 5th grades (there are 3 Center classes and 4 non-Center classes in each grade). So there’s no way it’s 60% of the school when you add in the 3rd graders.

Hi Center Parent! Thank you for responding. We local parents suspected that Center kids would also want to be among their own classmates during lunch and recess to help facilitate closer friendships much quicker in a new school miles away from home. At this age and middle school, friendships are a huge part of school and the kids should not be denied this right.

It only benefits ALL of the kids socially and emotionally for the lunch split to be RHPS kids and Center kids in different lunches. Kids are apparently trying to sneak into other lunches because they are so lonely and are desperate to see their friends. The Principal statted taking attendance to stop this and lectured them. Now the kids and parents want to start a petition but they are afraid of the Princpal who is highly reactive and refuses to budge even if the kids are hurting.

So to the PP before you, we are "strategizing and moving forward". Maybe we bypass the Principal. I still have two more kids to go through this school.
I have a deeply vested interest. Thanks for the tip! Already on it!

Segregation. Separate but equal. Let’s not interact with the poors and coloreds.

This is what the Principal is fighting against. I support her.

The Rosemary Hills population that makes up the local Chevy Chase neighborhood population is extremely diverse. We are bussed back and forth to achieve this diversity from Kindergarten on. So stop injecting race into an issue that has zero to do with diversity. We are one if the most diverse schools and neighborhood cohorts in the area. This has nothing to do with what she is trying to acheive. Zero. Zip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a CES parent, but our school has been invaded by Center kids (Chevy Chase) which added dozens of kids last year when we lost our 6th grade. They comprise almost 60% of the school or more now. Reading about all of the extras your kids get makes my blood boil. Meanwhile, local kids can't even have lunch together anymore because recess and lunch were split up.to accommodate your kids. Our Principal could care less about the social emotion damage done to our kids who are sitting alone at recess.

And here you are worrying about your kids enrichment when local kids are not getting the attention they need from teachers and falling through the cracks.

This private school (Center) within a public school needs to end. Hope you all realize how lucky you are at the sacrifice of the local kids.

You are the poster who already complained vehemently about this situation at Chevy Chase. You were told to calm down, because lunch would be divided anyway, since there are three grades at this elementary, not the standard six. Thus the grades are more populated and can’t fit in the cafeteria.

As for enrichment, most of us wish this was the standard for all kids. Some of us have other kids who did not get in, we know the feeling!!!!
So you don’t need to be so bitter and antagonistic. I enriched my son’s education at home when he did not get in, and now he is in a selective high school program.

Strategize for your long term goals instead of complaining. It will get you further.

Touched a nerve did I? Not sure who the other posters are you are referring to but you think I am the only neighborhood parent angry about this situation then you are wong. Far, far from it. Try dozens of parents are mad. So I don't have to calm down. I have a right to voice my opinion and concerns for the kids who don't get all the Center extras and special attention.

Why is it so hard to have a lunch for the Center kids and a lunch for the Rosemary Hills/neighborhood kids? It isn't. The two never interact all day. It is two schools in one school. There is something like 19 schools feeding into CCES right now.

All the neighborhood parents want is for their kids to be able to continue to grow their friendships so when they get to humongous Silver Creek, they have a network of friends in uncertain time.

Why do you have a problem with local parents wanting that? Center parents make a choice to come to our school for extra benefits. Local parents don't have a choice between two schools. I bet you have a kid in the center and one not so this whole lunch situation benefits your one kid to have it all. But that is NOT the feeling among the vast majority of local parents.

Also why should ANYONE have to do their own enrichment at home. You are unreal and in the minority. So entitled.

PP you responded to. My CES child also complained she didn’t know anyone at lunch. I told her it was a good opportunity for her to make new friends.

I don’t complain, I find solutions. Education begins at home, so yes, I enriched my other child at home. Plenty of families do. Why would that be entitled?

Kids are coming from all over, and the Principal is trying to build a community.

Honestly, what I hear from you is barely concealed socio-economic bias - is it atrocious that children from diverse communities come to your wealthy homogeneous Chevy Chase enclave and take apparently un-deserved resources away from your children? I suspect this is what you’re really feeling. There is a word for that.

I am not the entitled person in this discussion.

You clearly know nothing about our community if you think this is about race you are so wrong and insulting. The friends we are talking about come from Rosemary Hills Elementary/Chevy Chase pairing which comprises Chevy Chase to Silver Spring. Black White Brown.. rich poor. We have been bussed for years to acheive this diversity and these friend groups are sacred and special. The fact that you say such a thing shows me you know zero about the community which you have been welcomed into and gain so much from.

Why don't you learn something about the school where your kids go? My youngest are still at RHPS.

[Anonymous]

Uh, I went to RHPS and I assure you none of my friendships were “sacred.” That’s just ridiculous. It’s not the injustice of the century not to have recess with your best friends. You still have recess with a majority of kids who are going to Silver Creek in your own grade. I mean, if there are approx 200 kids in the grade, 85 CES (some of whom will also go to Silver Creek) and 115 not (who we assume will all go to Silver Creek) then you still have lunch/recess with 57+ kids who will go to Silver Creek with you in your grade. You have “no friends” and no one it’s worth branching out and becoming friends with among those 57+ kids? Seems implausible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a CES parent, but our school has been invaded by Center kids (Chevy Chase) which added dozens of kids last year when we lost our 6th grade. They comprise almost 60% of the school or more now. Reading about all of the extras your kids get makes my blood boil. Meanwhile, local kids can't even have lunch together anymore because recess and lunch were split up.to accommodate your kids. Our Principal could care less about the social emotion damage done to our kids who are sitting alone at recess.

And here you are worrying about your kids enrichment when local kids are not getting the attention they need from teachers and falling through the cracks.

This private school (Center) within a public school needs to end. Hope you all realize how lucky you are at the sacrifice of the local kids.

You are the poster who already complained vehemently about this situation at Chevy Chase. You were told to calm down, because lunch would be divided anyway, since there are three grades at this elementary, not the standard six. Thus the grades are more populated and can’t fit in the cafeteria.

As for enrichment, most of us wish this was the standard for all kids. Some of us have other kids who did not get in, we know the feeling!!!!
So you don’t need to be so bitter and antagonistic. I enriched my son’s education at home when he did not get in, and now he is in a selective high school program.

Strategize for your long term goals instead of complaining. It will get you further.

Touched a nerve did I? Not sure who the other posters are you are referring to but you think I am the only neighborhood parent angry about this situation then you are wong. Far, far from it. Try dozens of parents are mad. So I don't have to calm down. I have a right to voice my opinion and concerns for the kids who don't get all the Center extras and special attention.

Why is it so hard to have a lunch for the Center kids and a lunch for the Rosemary Hills/neighborhood kids? It isn't. The two never interact all day. It is two schools in one school. There is something like 19 schools feeding into CCES right now.

All the neighborhood parents want is for their kids to be able to continue to grow their friendships so when they get to humongous Silver Creek, they have a network of friends in uncertain time.

Why do you have a problem with local parents wanting that? Center parents make a choice to come to our school for extra benefits. Local parents don't have a choice between two schools. I bet you have a kid in the center and one not so this whole lunch situation benefits your one kid to have it all. But that is NOT the feeling among the vast majority of local parents.

Also why should ANYONE have to do their own enrichment at home. You are unreal and in the minority. So entitled.

PP you responded to. My CES child also complained she didn’t know anyone at lunch. I told her it was a good opportunity for her to make new friends.

I don’t complain, I find solutions. Education begins at home, so yes, I enriched my other child at home. Plenty of families do. Why would that be entitled?

Kids are coming from all over, and the Principal is trying to build a community.

Honestly, what I hear from you is barely concealed socio-economic bias - is it atrocious that children from diverse communities come to your wealthy homogeneous Chevy Chase enclave and take apparently un-deserved resources away from your children? I suspect this is what you’re really feeling. There is a word for that.

I am not the entitled person in this discussion.

You clearly know nothing about our community if you think this is about race you are so wrong and insulting. The friends we are talking about come from Rosemary Hills Elementary/Chevy Chase pairing which comprises Chevy Chase to Silver Spring. Black White Brown.. rich poor. We have been bussed for years to acheive this diversity and these friend groups are sacred and special. The fact that you say such a thing shows me you know zero about the community which you have been welcomed into and gain so much from.

Why don't you learn something about the school where your kids go? My youngest are still at RHPS.

BTW CCES parent....because your astounding ignorance about Chevy Chase Elementary (3 to 5) and Rosemary Hills (K to 2) continues to tick me off. It further reingorces my resentment of our kids and friends being split apart at the end of Rosemary Hills into two schools (NCC and CCES) and now split again in lunch from the friends they did manage to keep from the split a CCES a SECOND time. Two splits in 5 years among the Rosemay Hills kids who went on to CCES. It is BS and throwing these RHES kids to the chopping block twice.

But you don't care because you hear"Chevy Chase Elementary" and think "rich kids". Educate yourself "entitled one" on the school that is enriching your child. I guarantee you don't show up and volunteer for a damn thing. It's the RHES/CCES parents from Chevy Chase to Silver Spring who do it all and get tossed aside because people "assume" so they think it's ok to toss "rich kids". Guess what? Not so rich and very diverse and PROD of it.

You made the choice to come to our neighborhood and "entich" your child. At least have some respect for the home kids in the school which you enter for two whole years. And hey, while you're at it, step up and volunteer. The school could use some help.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I have a child who just started CES at CCES. My apologies to the CCES posters who are rightly indignant about being accused of being racist after having done far more to foster integration (through bussing to RH) than most MCPS parents have done.

However, I can understand why the PP who floated the race theory might have done so. As a new parent at the school this year, I was blown back on my heels with the one conversation I had with a neighborhood parent who lit into me with frustration about her 99% kid not having been admitted to the program, and the school "suffering" for the sake of kids like mine (she said that they kept losing the "best" teachers to CES and indicated that I was profiting from her loss).

Honestly the degree of hostility was really startling and confusing and I don't really understand why people think it's OK to treat other parents this way. If you have an issue with MCPS or the principal, please don't take it out on families whose only offense is taking a seat we were offered. To be honest, we were really unhappy at our home school too, due to all sorts of reasons similar to the ones that seem be bothering you now - goofed up lunch plans, limited resources/overcrowding, teaching quality, etc.

I immediately joined the CCES pta upon my daughter's enrollment. I attended the blacktop bash but found very few parents there who seemed interested in talking to a newcomer. I wasn't able to volunteer on Unity Day but don't recall seeing other calls for volunteers, or I'd have answered them. The number of community events / opportunities to meet / join / contribute to the school community seems lower so far than at our old school (read: nonexistent). I haven't seen any messages so far about PTA meetings despite having joined. so I'm really not sure how to contribute to the community / lessen hostility toward CES families. Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I have a child who just started CES at CCES. My apologies to the CCES posters who are rightly indignant about being accused of being racist after having done far more to foster integration (through bussing to RH) than most MCPS parents have done.

However, I can understand why the PP who floated the race theory might have done so. As a new parent at the school this year, I was blown back on my heels with the one conversation I had with a neighborhood parent who lit into me with frustration about her 99% kid not having been admitted to the program, and the school "suffering" for the sake of kids like mine (she said that they kept losing the "best" teachers to CES and indicated that I was profiting from her loss).

Honestly the degree of hostility was really startling and confusing and I don't really understand why people think it's OK to treat other parents this way. If you have an issue with MCPS or the principal, please don't take it out on families whose only offense is taking a seat we were offered. To be honest, we were really unhappy at our home school too, due to all sorts of reasons similar to the ones that seem be bothering you now - goofed up lunch plans, limited resources/overcrowding, teaching quality, etc.

I immediately joined the CCES pta upon my daughter's enrollment. I attended the blacktop bash but found very few parents there who seemed interested in talking to a newcomer. I wasn't able to volunteer on Unity Day but don't recall seeing other calls for volunteers, or I'd have answered them. The number of community events / opportunities to meet / join / contribute to the school community seems lower so far than at our old school (read: nonexistent). I haven't seen any messages so far about PTA meetings despite having joined. so I'm really not sure how to contribute to the community / lessen hostility toward CES families. Thoughts?

PP adding a PS - we CES families have the same issues you do as far as worrying about our kids having friends when they get to middle school, since most of their classmates won't be a the same middle school. So maybe it's worth thinking of this more as MCPS-wide issue to be solved through collective petitioning, rather than hostility at other parents who actually are also suffering from the same policies that you are upset about. I don't understand why MCPS can't do a CES for each high school cluster.

[Anonymous]

It seems to me that the angry Chevy Chase posters who complain about the CES are motivated by envy or resentment that their child didn't get in. As a CES parent, if it's any comfort, let me offer one observation: I *wish* my child had been well-positioned to stay at her home school. frankly it would be a lot more convenient (we have another child who's still there). But she has been, as a lot of CES kids are, really lonely there. She's sensitive, and shy, and awkward, and just hasn't ever been in the swim of things. Believe me, you don't envy her, and you wouldn't wish her experience on your kid. I'm relieved that she's much happier at CES so far, mostly because (socially) she seems like less of weirdo there. I actually hope that my other child won't have the need for the program -- I'm a big believer in neighborhood schools -- but for her, so far, it seems to be a godsend. Anyway, I just have the feeling that people are fetishizing the experience in some way and worrying that it reflects badly on their kids or them that they didn't get in. IT DOESN'T!!!