Washington Business Journal - 2019 top public colleges

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Anonymous wrote:UConn 15 and Delaware 20.

LOL

St. Mary’s even on the list?

Come on now.

They're in the top 100 of USN&WR and other rankings also. This is just a different ranking only looking at public schools.

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When schools are "ranked" like this, it basically means they are all really great schools, not that #1 is so, so, so much better than #20. It's like comparing the top 20 high school students in Texas or in California ... not much difference between them academically.

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Anonymous wrote:When schools are "ranked" like this, it basically means they are all really great schools, not that #1 is so, so, so much better than #20. It's like comparing the top 20 high school students in Texas or in California ... not much difference between them academically.

This is why rating systems are much better but that doesnt sell magazines! And that rich kid whose parents admission to Harvard will walk away from college with less of an education than the hard-working, engaged student from the #20 public (no matter which list you look at)

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to UMD -- they've done an excellent job improving that school over the last few years.

And of course I agree with Michigan being #1. It's an outstanding school.

Michigan overall is much, much more focused on graduate students than undergraduates.

And you know this how? DH went there and had an excellent experience. He developed relationships with professors that he keeps up to this day (and he's 33 years old). He also worked there and so he saw it from the administration side.

It has a heavy dependence on graduate teaching assistants. In sciences and engineering, communication skills can be an issue.

The University of Michigan puts more "Institutional" funds (not externally funded) into R&D spending than any other university in the U.S. It is about $540M per year. A significant percentage of that money is going to come from undergraduate tuition paid by the 30,000 undergraduates. I don't think spending say $40K+ of your money to fund some professors research over 4 years is a very good deal. https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?method=report&fice=2325&id=h2

You may say "perhaps that money comes from endowment", etc., but it would take every cent of Michigan's endowment to come up with that amount (and not fund athletics, law and medical professorships, etc.) It is a rip off in plain sight if you do the math.

Very astute of you. Thanks for doing the math!

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Hahaha! UNCHEAT @#2.

20 years of academic fraud!

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Berkeley at #4? Behind UNC? Come on, that's just silly.

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The New York Times
April 4, 2019
College Sports 101: A U.N.C. Class Reviews a Scandal at Its Source

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/sports/unc-scandal.html

"The result was one of the worst academic scandals in college sports history, and a huge black mark on UNC and its proud athletic program. The university’s accreditation body placed North Carolina on probation. But critics saw few systemic changes."

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Binghamton? FFS no

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Anonymous wrote:The New York Times
April 4, 2019
College Sports 101: A U.N.C. Class Reviews a Scandal at Its Source

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/sports/unc-scandal.html

"The result was one of the worst academic scandals in college sports history, and a huge black mark on UNC and its proud athletic program. The university’s accreditation body placed North Carolina on probation. But critics saw few systemic changes."

The big schools don't really get hurt by scandals. Even Penn State applications surged back quickly after Sandusky. Michigan State has had a drop, but I bet that will come back quickly. Duke is not impacted in the least by taking on one-and-done basketballers whose stats are far below those of the average student and who don't do anything academic after the first semester.

I doubt that there will be any impact to USC, despite several scandals now, and certainly not for the other schools in the college bribery scandals.

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Anonymous wrote:UConn 15 and Delaware 20.

LOL

St. Mary’s even on the list?

Come on now.

UConn does very well at retention and graduation rates which are two metrics that are heavily weighted/considered in this ranking. Their students seem to like the school and they do a good job of keeping them in the school and having them graduate on time. And while you can knock it for its location the academics are strong at UConn.

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Anonymous wrote:UConn 15 and Delaware 20.

LOL

St. Mary’s even on the list?

Come on now.

UConn does very well at retention and graduation rates which are two metrics that are heavily weighted/considered in this ranking. Their students seem to like the school and they do a good job of keeping them in the school and having them graduate on time. And while you can knock it for its location the academics are strong at UConn.

I think some people are surprised by these positive rankings because they have formed opinions that are based on outdated information, or no real data at all. I actually prefer rankings like this one because, unlike US News, it does not include a “reputation” score. Just based on publicly available stats like acceptance rate, graduation rate, retention rate, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to UMD -- they've done an excellent job improving that school over the last few years.

And of course I agree with Michigan being #1. It's an outstanding school.

Except for the mold issues.

What is with you and the mold? Every building in the country has mold to one degree or another.

Actually, this past fall was fairly unusual -- a good chunk of the country had staggering amounts of rain over the summer. A ton of universities around the country had big problems, which even led some dorms to be evacuated.

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Anonymous wrote:UConn 15 and Delaware 20.

LOL

St. Mary’s even on the list?

Come on now.

UConn does very well at retention and graduation rates which are two metrics that are heavily weighted/considered in this ranking. Their students seem to like the school and they do a good job of keeping them in the school and having them graduate on time. And while you can knock it for its location the academics are strong at UConn.

I think some people are surprised by these positive rankings because they have formed opinions that are based on outdated information, or no real data at all. I actually prefer rankings like this one because, unlike US News, it does not include a “reputation” score. Just based on publicly available stats like acceptance rate, graduation rate, retention rate, etc.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:UConn 15 and Delaware 20.

LOL

St. Mary’s even on the list?

Come on now.

UConn does very well at retention and graduation rates which are two metrics that are heavily weighted/considered in this ranking. Their students seem to like the school and they do a good job of keeping them in the school and having them graduate on time. And while you can knock it for its location the academics are strong at UConn.

I think some people are surprised by these positive rankings because they have formed opinions that are based on outdated information, or no real data at all. I actually prefer rankings like this one because, unlike US News, it does not include a “reputation” score. Just based on publicly available stats like acceptance rate, graduation rate, retention rate, etc.

+1

USNews reputation rankings over time probably start to reflect USNews rankings. Self fulfilling.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley at #4? Behind UNC? Come on, that's just silly.

I agree that Michigan and Virginia should be in the top three, but UC Berkeley is hands down the top public university in the country (andl likely in the top 10 among all colleges & universities).