US Soccer sued by the entire US Women's National Team.

[Anonymous]

I think he meant that male soccer players in the US don't expect salaries HERE that match MLB or NBA. In the MLS, about 46 players earn $1M or more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/2018/05/10/giovinco-tops-mls-salaries-at-71m-ibrahimovic-at-15m/34775397/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he meant that male soccer players in the US don't expect salaries HERE that match MLB or NBA. In the MLS, about 46 players earn $1M or more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/2018/05/10/giovinco-tops-mls-salaries-at-71m-ibrahimovic-at-15m/34775397/

There are 2 different conversations that are relevant, but still different: MLS vs NWSL salaries, and MNT vs WNT salaries. So, while viewership, tickets, longevity, and so on are at one differential for the former, they are at another for the later.

[Anonymous]

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/college/college-women/university-of-colorado-women-defeat-real-colorado-boys-da-team/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/college/college-women/university-of-colorado-women-defeat-real-colorado-boys-da-team/

The boys' team was an 04 team. 14-15 year old boys in 8th-9th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/college/college-women/university-of-colorado-women-defeat-real-colorado-boys-da-team/

The boys' team was an 04 team. 14-15 year old boys in 8th-9th grade.

I think the point was that women don't "regularly" get beat by U15 elite teams - a claim made earlier. This isn't even the WNT, just a college team.

(I'm not the OP, but when I saw that, that's what I thought the context was).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them. Nothing is more demoralizing than explaining to my daughters and neices that their work is worth a fraction of a man's.

Send them to college in STEM and forget soccer.

I am a former woman soccer player that has a grad degree in a STEM field and I was never paid less than my male colleagues. I’m 49 and I’m a Senior position.

Competitive soccer helped me not be a shrinking violet/whiner in the workplace.

I had no plans for my girls to be professional athletes. That doesn't mean they can't look around them and see inequality. Women being paid less than men for the same work is a societal problem that should be addressed with more than just an attitude of "go into this job to avoid it". Way to pigeonhole girls and women! We deserve better.

But it’s not the same work. World-class womens’ teams are routinely smoked by U15 elite boys’ sides, at least based on what I have read. Is that not correct?

This is the post I thought it was a response to.

[Anonymous]

This was the match that was supposed to set the foundation for Berhalter’s tenure. Even with a non-FIFA window limiting the January player pool to MLS players, this was Berhalter’s chance to make a first impression.

What the USMNT got instead was a near-empty State Farm Stadium where only a fraction of the 63,000-seat capacity was made available to the public. And while the attendance was announced at 9,040, it looked closer to 7,000.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/us-soccer-attendance-problem-berhalter

With average attendances for US Men’s National Team games down 17% in 2018, it’s even worse news for the US Women’s National Team (USWNT) as their attendances dropped 22% in a horrible year for the US Soccer Federation.

On the field, the USWNT had a remarkable year, posting a record of 18-0-2 and qualifying for the 2019 Women’s World Cup in France where they are drawn with Thailand, Chile, and Sweden in the Group Stage. While the last several years have seen several fantastic crowds for the women’s national team, particularly in 2015 when they not only had the hype before the Women’s World Cup but also the Victory Tour after winning it, 2018 saw a dramatic attendance decline for the women.

Yep ....not too good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them. Nothing is more demoralizing than explaining to my daughters and neices that their work is worth a fraction of a man's.

Actually in many sports their worth absolutely is worth a fraction of men's. Not many people pay to go see women's soccer compared to men's soccer. Additionally people aren't willing to pay as much in ticket prices. From the article:
One of the biggest differences in compensation is the multimillion-dollar bonuses the teams receive for participating in the World Cup, but those bonuses — a pool of $400 million for 32 men’s teams versus $30 million for 24 women’s teams — are determined by FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, not U.S. Soccer.

It is about supply and demand. There just isn't the demand for most women's sports so us soccer isn't earning the same amount for women's soccer and feels it shouldn't spend as much as they do on men. Just like basketball. However, women should be getting better perks in gymnastics than men.

+1.

It's so obvious it hurts.

Signed,

Dad of a DD who loves soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them. Nothing is more demoralizing than explaining to my daughters and neices that their work is worth a fraction of a man's.

Actually in many sports their worth absolutely is worth a fraction of men's. Not many people pay to go see women's soccer compared to men's soccer. Additionally people aren't willing to pay as much in ticket prices. From the article:
One of the biggest differences in compensation is the multimillion-dollar bonuses the teams receive for participating in the World Cup, but those bonuses — a pool of $400 million for 32 men’s teams versus $30 million for 24 women’s teams — are determined by FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, not U.S. Soccer.

It is about supply and demand. There just isn't the demand for most women's sports so us soccer isn't earning the same amount for women's soccer and feels it shouldn't spend as much as they do on men. Just like basketball. However, women should be getting better perks in gymnastics than men.

+1.

It's so obvious it hurts.

Signed,

Dad of a DD who loves soccer.

USMNT did not qualify for the WC so the assertion that the disparity in compensation is a result of FIFA paying greater bonuses to the teams participating in the men's WC is totally misleading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good for them. Nothing is more demoralizing than explaining to my daughters and neices that their work is worth a fraction of a man's.

Actually in many sports their worth absolutely is worth a fraction of men's. Not many people pay to go see women's soccer compared to men's soccer. Additionally people aren't willing to pay as much in ticket prices. From the article:
One of the biggest differences in compensation is the multimillion-dollar bonuses the teams receive for participating in the World Cup, but those bonuses — a pool of $400 million for 32 men’s teams versus $30 million for 24 women’s teams — are determined by FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, not U.S. Soccer.

It is about supply and demand. There just isn't the demand for most women's sports so us soccer isn't earning the same amount for women's soccer and feels it shouldn't spend as much as they do on men. Just like basketball. However, women should be getting better perks in gymnastics than men.

+1.

It's so obvious it hurts.

Signed,

Dad of a DD who loves soccer.

USMNT did not qualify for the WC so the assertion that the disparity in compensation is a result of FIFA paying greater bonuses to the teams participating in the men's WC is totally misleading.

What the PP said may apply to other sports, but not soccer.

[Anonymous]

USSF responds in open letter to USWNT:
https://www.soccerwire.com/news/nt/international-women/ussf-president-carlos-cordeiro-pens-open-letter-on-u-s-wnt-lawsuit/

[Anonymous]

Women's soccer is not as valuable as men's soccer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women's soccer is not as valuable as men's soccer

Yeah, why aren't they all barefoot and pregnant like they are supposed to be? The nerve of some people...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women's soccer is not as valuable as men's soccer

Yeah, why aren't they all barefoot and pregnant like they are supposed to be? The nerve of some people...

If value is defined as revenue then the point may be valid, no matter how relatively lousy the men have been as compared to the women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women's soccer is not as valuable as men's soccer

True.

Guilty: lack of audience and sponsors.