Why does everyone on this board flame you if using a breeder?

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Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

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They might not save a dog. Cause hey might not get a dog at all if the only option is rescue.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

Breeders like this do exist. It just takes time and it’s not the cheapest. But in the long run a healthy dog is MUCH cheaper than one with problems. I bought from a breeder and the dog has never had a health problem.

This describes our breeder. Three years later, we still get occasional texts from us asking how our dog is and for pictures. Judging from her house (either she’s independently wealthy or has a wealthy spouse) she doesn’t earn her livelihood from breeding, she does it because it’s her passion.

This describes my breeder as well. I support responsible breeders and I put my money where my mouth is. I feel that rescues might have issues that I may not be equipped to handle also by getting a rescue, I may be supporting a puppy mill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

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They might not save a dog. Cause hey might not get a dog at all if the only option is rescue.

Dogs in rescue are already a lost cause, whether you adopt them to let them live a little longer or not. They are a lost cause because they will not contribute to the betterment of their species. It's certainly humane to care for them. But the first PP in this quote does not seem to understand what the stakes are. It's not about individual dogs. It's about the species as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

I very much think you have the backwards.

My wife comes from money and every dog every relative owns is from a breeder and purebred. They give monetary donations to the local shelters and rescue groups but until my wife & I adopted our shelter dog, every other dog she'd ever owned had come from a breeder and in most cases went from breeder to private trainer then to them already trained and ready.

Most rich people in this area are all about their rescue dogs but wealthy, old money people would never.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

I really don't care one way or the other about pets as 'class markers', but I am struggling with the assertion that it is cruel to buy a dog from a responsible breeder. How exactly does that work? A responsibly bred animal comes from stock which has been screened/cleared from genetic abnormalities and at least in theory will be more likely to live a long healthy life. I don't see that as cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

You are confusing puppy mill/backyard breeder with reputable and responsible breeders.

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Anonymous wrote:Because most people who use breeders seem to be prioritizing vanity/status in lieu of actually saving an animal.

No, we just don’t want a pit bull or a pit mix.

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Huh? There are rescue orgs for just about every breed out there. There are many many rescue options outside of county shelters. I'm sure you already knew this though.

Every breed as long as you believe everything you hear and would like a pit bull, beagle, malamute
Shepard mix or backyard Breeder mixed puppy ( that usually is much bigger than they tell you )
“Corgi” crosses are popular too. Except they’re not corgis.

[Anonymous]

OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

Sorry, you're completely wrong about that last point. As a local shelter volunteer, I saw pure-bred labs, goldens, and border collies all surrendered for biting a child or children in the family. ANY dog can and will bite if provoked enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

Sorry, you're completely wrong about that last point. As a local shelter volunteer, I saw pure-bred labs, goldens, and border collies all surrendered for biting a child or children in the family. ANY dog can and will bite if provoked enough.

+1 Breed does not guarantee temperament. Any dog that has teeth can (and will) under the wrong set of circumstances bite, cause serious damage, and even kill. Don't allow your kids to pull tails, stick hands in mouths or provoke any dog!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

I am pro-breeder but the bolded is very wrong indeed. Any dog can kill. You need to do a little more research. Also, Labs need a ton of exercise.

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We are going to be picking up our puppy soon from a suset of breeders for the particular kind of dog we’ve chosen. Reiterating what others have said-reputable breeders are worried about the health of the breed and identify dogs who present less than ideal characteristics (back issues and eyes for example) and do not breed them and require anyone who buy them to spay/neuter so as not to risk adding these weaknesses into the gene pool. The breeders I went to don’t show these dogs (they’re breeding to a standard not ‘recognized’) and every single one of the 5 breeders we met or talked in just in love with these dogs and care who gets them as pets.

While I grew up with mutts and loved my dogs I agree w/PPs that perpetuating the smorgasbord of genetics or even idolizing their salvation as the highest form of pet ownership is no gift to the species. While I have ZERO intention of breeding the dog we get if I did I would adhere to the ethics agreements of the breeders and 100% know I’d be creating a better dog choice for another lucky family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

19:58 here.

And... there's lots of misinformation out there!

1. Rescues directly enable the dog industry by buying dogs at puppy mill auctions, and indirectly by transporting and distributing puppy mill dogs, for a small charitable donation, thereby feeding demand.

2. In the larger scheme of things that practically no one understands, what's truly important is to protect the future of the dog species. Saving individual dog lives is nice, but completely inconsequential next to that critical long-term goal. What's important is to control and clean-up breeding. Puppy mill and backyard breeding create dangerous genetic illnesses that are passed down and accumulate in breeding lines. They are the modern day continuation of the purely esthetic breeding that started in the early 20th century, when people didn't know about genetic diseases. Now we know better. Good breeders do not breed dogs that test positive for a myriad of known genetic disease markers. They are the ones who should be respected and extolled for saving the species in the LONG-TERM. I understand this because I'm a geneticist. If you want the dog species to survive, you need to support good breeding practices, and that means testing for preventable genetic diseases and only breeding dogs that test negative for those.

1. This is factually not true
2. If you are a geneticist- what do you think of this study esp the Inbreeding factor of the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever? http://dmm.biologists.org/content/9/12/1445#abstract-1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

19:58 here.

And... there's lots of misinformation out there!

1. Rescues directly enable the dog industry by buying dogs at puppy mill auctions, and indirectly by transporting and distributing puppy mill dogs, for a small charitable donation, thereby feeding demand.

2. In the larger scheme of things that practically no one understands, what's truly important is to protect the future of the dog species. Saving individual dog lives is nice, but completely inconsequential next to that critical long-term goal. What's important is to control and clean-up breeding. Puppy mill and backyard breeding create dangerous genetic illnesses that are passed down and accumulate in breeding lines. They are the modern day continuation of the purely esthetic breeding that started in the early 20th century, when people didn't know about genetic diseases. Now we know better. Good breeders do not breed dogs that test positive for a myriad of known genetic disease markers. They are the ones who should be respected and extolled for saving the species in the LONG-TERM. I understand this because I'm a geneticist. If you want the dog species to survive, you need to support good breeding practices, and that means testing for preventable genetic diseases and only breeding dogs that test negative for those.

1. This is factually not true
2. If you are a geneticist- what do you think of this study esp the Inbreeding factor of the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever? http://dmm.biologists.org/content/9/12/1445#abstract-1

DP. Point number one is absolutely true. Rescues support auctions and puppy mills, either directly or indirectly.

If you don't believe me, do you believe the Washington Post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations

[Anonymous]

PP here. That having been said, I think OP is totally off base re temperament. Labs can and do kill. Granted the worst ones are often from backyard breeders, but the idea that labs are "safe" is laughable.