Can Floreen win?

[Anonymous]

No. Floreen has zero chance. Don’t waste your vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are actually voting for Ficker?!!

I'm voting for Elrich and hope Floreen doesn't win. And I don't live in Takoma/Silver Spring.

I think the development we currently have going on is already putting too many cars on the road and overcrowding schools. We need a much more thoughtful way to allow the county to grow than is in Floreen's sights as she is raking in so much money from developers.

I'm 11:55. This is an example of what I'm talking about, "developers" are bad according to this person. Apparently all companies that build anything in Montgomery County are bad companies by this person's standard since they're all "developers". These are straw-man arguments with no substance. Every home started as some developers project. What specifically do these people think is so bad that's being developed? Crown Farm? Clarksburg? What? They don't want to tell you because it's easier to say "developers" are the problem. If some company converting a farm into a new housing development or some green space into a new shopping mall or adding a couple of lanes to the freeway is the big political hot button then you know Montgomery County has it good. Almost every other county in the country would be pleased to have wider roads, more housing, and more businesses.

Because developers make a lot of money building housing on former green space and then we end up with overcrowded roads and schools. The debate isn't over whether to more development but whether to make sure we have the road and school infrastructure in place first-- that's wht Elrich means when he talks about staged development.

Nancy might as well drive a damned bulldozer around town so that she can steam right over our green space and trails herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are actually voting for Ficker?!!

I'm voting for Elrich and hope Floreen doesn't win. And I don't live in Takoma/Silver Spring.

I think the development we currently have going on is already putting too many cars on the road and overcrowding schools. We need a much more thoughtful way to allow the county to grow than is in Floreen's sights as she is raking in so much money from developers.

I'm 11:55. This is an example of what I'm talking about, "developers" are bad according to this person. Apparently all companies that build anything in Montgomery County are bad companies by this person's standard since they're all "developers". These are straw-man arguments with no substance. Every home started as some developers project. What specifically do these people think is so bad that's being developed? Crown Farm? Clarksburg? What? They don't want to tell you because it's easier to say "developers" are the problem. If some company converting a farm into a new housing development or some green space into a new shopping mall or adding a couple of lanes to the freeway is the big political hot button then you know Montgomery County has it good. Almost every other county in the country would be pleased to have wider roads, more housing, and more businesses.

Because developers make a lot of money building housing on former green space and then we end up with overcrowded roads and schools. The debate isn't over whether to more development but whether to make sure we have the road and school infrastructure in place first-- that's wht Elrich means when he talks about staged development.

Nancy might as well drive a damned bulldozer around town so that she can steam right over our green space and trails herself.

Sign me up for this. Anything for good jobs. Number one goal should be to stop losing to nova.

[Anonymous]

No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

+1 Schools, roads, and others infrastructure isn’t “pre-built”. That’s not how it’s done but they already know that. People really are anti-deveelopement. The whole “developers” is such a straw man too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

+1 Schools, roads, and others infrastructure isn’t “pre-built”. That’s not how it’s done but they already know that. People really are anti-deveelopement. The whole “developers” is such a straw man too.

And yet, schools are already over capacity and streets already awful. Just go into downtown Bethesda. All those apartment buildings which weren’t supposed to add to the school issues have lines and lines of kids waiting for the bus each morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

+1 Schools, roads, and others infrastructure isn’t “pre-built”. That’s not how it’s done but they already know that. People really are anti-deveelopement. The whole “developers” is such a straw man too.

And yet, schools are already over capacity and streets already awful. Just go into downtown Bethesda. All those apartment buildings which weren’t supposed to add to the school issues have lines and lines of kids waiting for the bus each morning.

You are also describing Nova. Nova does not seem to care much about that, so it eats Moco's lunch. Need more people for taxes, not tax existing people more. Giant ponzi scheme, but such is life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are actually voting for Ficker?!!

I'm voting for Elrich and hope Floreen doesn't win. And I don't live in Takoma/Silver Spring.

I think the development we currently have going on is already putting too many cars on the road and overcrowding schools. We need a much more thoughtful way to allow the county to grow than is in Floreen's sights as she is raking in so much money from developers.

I'm 11:55. This is an example of what I'm talking about, "developers" are bad according to this person. Apparently all companies that build anything in Montgomery County are bad companies by this person's standard since they're all "developers". These are straw-man arguments with no substance. Every home started as some developers project. What specifically do these people think is so bad that's being developed? Crown Farm? Clarksburg? What? They don't want to tell you because it's easier to say "developers" are the problem. If some company converting a farm into a new housing development or some green space into a new shopping mall or adding a couple of lanes to the freeway is the big political hot button then you know Montgomery County has it good. Almost every other county in the country would be pleased to have wider roads, more housing, and more businesses.

Because developers make a lot of money building housing on former green space and then we end up with overcrowded roads and schools. The debate isn't over whether to more development but whether to make sure we have the road and school infrastructure in place first-- that's wht Elrich means when he talks about staged development.

Nancy might as well drive a damned bulldozer around town so that she can steam right over our green space and trails herself.

Sign me up for this. Anything for good jobs. Number one goal should be to stop losing to nova.

Nova actually has more parks and a better distribution of them. Nova doesn’t use a sanctuary city business model to enrich developers and other large businesses. When you buy a house or refinance one in nova someone doesn’t put a stamp on it and demand $8000-$20,000 up front but Nancy does!
It’s probably best to just move to NoVa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

+1 Schools, roads, and others infrastructure isn’t “pre-built”. That’s not how it’s done but they already know that. People really are anti-deveelopement. The whole “developers” is such a straw man too.

If you leave zero land space in an area and just build high rises and dense housing developments there is no space for parks, schools or Rec centers. Needing to knock down houses or businesses to build new roads is not a great way of doing things but that’s where we’re headed. There’s no planning except bulldozing and building. It sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse.

From what I can tell, his logic is:

- No new roads upcounty, like expanding I270 or building the mid-county highway (M-83, connecting Germantown and Clarksburg). All those people should take public transportation, or move closer in, in his view.
- But, no new development, especially close in, so I guess those people up-county can't move there anyway.


What we need is a mix of both. We need more roads, and we also need more public transportation. The Purple Line (which Elrich called "ethnic cleansing" due to a few businesses in Silver Spring being displaced during construction) faced staunch opposition from purported environmentalists, and I'm not even sure why -- the only other alternative to connect places like Bethesda and Silver Spring is by car/bus on East West Highway, but that would involve widening it and there's not really room to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is anti-development: some are anti development when the infrastructure cannot handle the people that are already there, let alone hundreds and/or thousands more. This is where the awful traffic and overcrowded schools come into play. Floreen doesn't care - she will pave over anything and is no friend of MCPS. Ficker is a nut job. He makes a living getting DUI people off (because we need them back on the road killing more people), has been disbarred multiple times, and has been banned form Washington basketball games for his inappropriate heckling (and that is not easy tondo). And you want this bacon running out county?

Marc is the only logical choice.

Er I'm not sure I follow the logic of Elrich's vision for development...he's putting the cart before the horse. You need people and/or corporations (tax base) first to pay for the infrastructure. You can't have infrastructure first and expect people to come. Supply and demand. If you build a whole bunch of roads and no one comes, what's the point? Infrastructure is one of many factors companies consider, but some of the other factors probably outweigh it like talent base and tax structure/incentives. Every large metro area is infrastructure constrained. Look at the Bay Area...101 and 880 are two large parking lots, BART is a mess. No one wants to discourage the tech bros and that area is thriving. BS in CS gets six figures out of school, crapshacks for $2M.

But now that I write it out, maybe his logic is kind of like WMATA's logic. Make the product like crap so fewer people want it, make your ridership (or citizens in this case) leave so that demand actually meets the supply that you refuse to change. Unfortunately the ones with the most means leave first...and that's not a good long-term financial decision.

+1 Schools, roads, and others infrastructure isn’t “pre-built”. That’s not how it’s done but they already know that. People really are anti-deveelopement. The whole “developers” is such a straw man too.

If you leave zero land space in an area and just build high rises and dense housing developments there is no space for parks, schools or Rec centers. Needing to knock down houses or businesses to build new roads is not a great way of doing things but that’s where we’re headed. There’s no planning except bulldozing and building. It sucks.

We have Master Plans in MoCo. Bethesda has one, so we already know where any new parks or schools will go. In downtown Bethesda, the plot of land next to Mon Ami Gabi will become a small park once Purple Line construction is over. Then, the Womens Farm Market will likely be reworked to become part of a larger park area to include the parking lot behind it.

As for schools, we have a great plot of land on Brickyard Road in Potomac, but the NIMBY's convinced CoExec Leggett to veto the plans to use the field for soccer fields,and later a school -- despite the fact the plot of land was purchased and zoned for exactly that purpose! I can easily seeing Elrich saying no to that development also. It's stupid and it's bad for our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ficker has my vote specifically because of the term limits getting on the ballot. He brought back some sensibility and local power back into the hands of the people. If people want to consider him insane for that .....oh well!

That’s NOT why people consider Ficker insane.

Don’t be ignorant.

+1 People consider Ficker insane because he's been arrested/charged with assault multiple times in his life. But ya know...details.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ficker has my vote specifically because of the term limits getting on the ballot. He brought back some sensibility and local power back into the hands of the people. If people want to consider him insane for that .....oh well!

That’s NOT why people consider Ficker insane.

Don’t be ignorant.

+1 People consider Ficker insane because he's been arrested/charged with assault multiple times in his life. But ya know...details.

Not to mention suspended from the practice of law several times.
I voted for them limits. Doesn't mean I want him running the County. Since when is having one or two good ideas enough to overcome being an unethical loon?
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ficker has my vote specifically because of the term limits getting on the ballot. He brought back some sensibility and local power back into the hands of the people. If people want to consider him insane for that .....oh well!

That’s NOT why people consider Ficker insane.

Don’t be ignorant.

+1 People consider Ficker insane because he's been arrested/charged with assault multiple times in his life. But ya know...details.

Not to mention suspended from the practice of law several times.
I voted for them limits. Doesn't mean I want him running the County. Since when is having one or two good ideas enough to overcome being an unethical loon?
.

Ficker is truly a joke. I'm voting for Elrich (I voted for Blair in the primary, but oh well.) He doesn't take contributions from developers, and Floreen is in the pocket of developers. Also, it irritates me that she didn't run in the primary like the rest of candidates and is just taking advantage of a loophole now.