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Anonymous wrote:Are FPYC teams supposed to be any good? We were caught a little off guard by them this past weekend. Not that it can’t happen to anyone, but I thought their travel program was weak and they focused mostly on rec. I guess the possibility exists that they brought outside players.

I wouldn't underestimate a TEAM just because the CLUB isn't that prominent or whatever. FPYC has a parent volunteer rec program, so I'm not sure how much the club focuses on the rec program. The program goes as the volunteerism goes. The club does provide plenty of field space. As for the travel program, a few years ago, it was really building itself and had a very good pre-travel academy starting at U6 and they had strong U9-U12 travel teams that came through that pre-travel program. However, the pre-travel academy is pretty much dead from what I hear currently. About three years ago, FPYC went with UK Elite to run it's pre-travel academy and all new travel teams were forced to hire a UK Elite trainer. Joga and FPYC went their separate ways. Note that Joga trainers assisted in the pre travel academy and coached/trained several (but not all by any means) travel teams especially most of the youngest travel teams. Since then the travel program has steadily declined. There used to be two teams for every age groups for both boys and girls. Currently, there is one boys U9 (2010) team, no 2009 boys teams, no 2008 boys teams, and no boys 2007 teams. I'm not sure about the girls but I think they have no 2009 girls team. one 2008 team, and no 2007 girls teams. It didn't help that the Technical Director quit in the middle of last summer with very short notice. I think this forum talked about FPYC a month or so ago about it imploding and the Director of Soccer must have caught wind because the Director of Soccer emailed the travel coaches and team managers and said that the travel program was not imploding and that he has full faith in the direction of the travel program and UK Elite. Right after that email, the head UK Elite guy emailed the club and said that he was cancelling 2007 boys tryouts. They weren't even going to try to make a 2007 team boys or girls for that matter. Since then, the boys 2008 team folded because I heard there are no UK Elite coaches available. I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But I hear the 2006 and 2005 boys team are doing well. Maybe some older ones too but, at this pace, the club will not have a travel program unless they get someone in there that can inspire some kids to play travel at that club.

I highly doubt that FPYC brought in outside players just to get a win. They definitely aren't about winning at all costs. Maybe your team isn't as good as you think it is. Is it SYA?

This was in the high school bracket. Again not trying to accuse them of anything, just were not expecting them to be so strong. I have been reading the other posts that claim their travel program has been regressing but these guys just blew away the rest of the competition. Does UK Elite also train the older teams?

I'm guessing these guys were trained by the earlier joga group.

But, doesn't matter if they aren't part of DA in this country. Talent will go unrecognized.

[Anonymous]

I think the oldest group UK Elite trains is 2004s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are FPYC teams supposed to be any good? We were caught a little off guard by them this past weekend. Not that it can’t happen to anyone, but I thought their travel program was weak and they focused mostly on rec. I guess the possibility exists that they brought outside players.

I wouldn't underestimate a TEAM just because the CLUB isn't that prominent or whatever. FPYC has a parent volunteer rec program, so I'm not sure how much the club focuses on the rec program. The program goes as the volunteerism goes. The club does provide plenty of field space. As for the travel program, a few years ago, it was really building itself and had a very good pre-travel academy starting at U6 and they had strong U9-U12 travel teams that came through that pre-travel program. However, the pre-travel academy is pretty much dead from what I hear currently. About three years ago, FPYC went with UK Elite to run it's pre-travel academy and all new travel teams were forced to hire a UK Elite trainer. Joga and FPYC went their separate ways. Note that Joga trainers assisted in the pre travel academy and coached/trained several (but not all by any means) travel teams especially most of the youngest travel teams. Since then the travel program has steadily declined. There used to be two teams for every age groups for both boys and girls. Currently, there is one boys U9 (2010) team, no 2009 boys teams, no 2008 boys teams, and no boys 2007 teams. I'm not sure about the girls but I think they have no 2009 girls team. one 2008 team, and no 2007 girls teams. It didn't help that the Technical Director quit in the middle of last summer with very short notice. I think this forum talked about FPYC a month or so ago about it imploding and the Director of Soccer must have caught wind because the Director of Soccer emailed the travel coaches and team managers and said that the travel program was not imploding and that he has full faith in the direction of the travel program and UK Elite. Right after that email, the head UK Elite guy emailed the club and said that he was cancelling 2007 boys tryouts. They weren't even going to try to make a 2007 team boys or girls for that matter. Since then, the boys 2008 team folded because I heard there are no UK Elite coaches available. I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But I hear the 2006 and 2005 boys team are doing well. Maybe some older ones too but, at this pace, the club will not have a travel program unless they get someone in there that can inspire some kids to play travel at that club.

I highly doubt that FPYC brought in outside players just to get a win. They definitely aren't about winning at all costs. Maybe your team isn't as good as you think it is. Is it SYA?

This was in the high school bracket. Again not trying to accuse them of anything, just were not expecting them to be so strong. I have been reading the other posts that claim their travel program has been regressing but these guys just blew away the rest of the competition. Does UK Elite also train the older teams?

I'm guessing these guys were trained by the earlier joga group.

But, doesn't matter if they aren't part of DA in this country. Talent will go unrecognized.

Why don't the good players on that team join one of the many DAs in this area? If they are good enough to show well against other DA players (and not just NCSL teams in the HS age group), then their talents will be recognized given that there are scouts and coaches at most DA games. Seems like a very simple solution to this perceived problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are FPYC teams supposed to be any good? We were caught a little off guard by them this past weekend. Not that it can’t happen to anyone, but I thought their travel program was weak and they focused mostly on rec. I guess the possibility exists that they brought outside players.

I wouldn't underestimate a TEAM just because the CLUB isn't that prominent or whatever. FPYC has a parent volunteer rec program, so I'm not sure how much the club focuses on the rec program. The program goes as the volunteerism goes. The club does provide plenty of field space. As for the travel program, a few years ago, it was really building itself and had a very good pre-travel academy starting at U6 and they had strong U9-U12 travel teams that came through that pre-travel program. However, the pre-travel academy is pretty much dead from what I hear currently. About three years ago, FPYC went with UK Elite to run it's pre-travel academy and all new travel teams were forced to hire a UK Elite trainer. Joga and FPYC went their separate ways. Note that Joga trainers assisted in the pre travel academy and coached/trained several (but not all by any means) travel teams especially most of the youngest travel teams. Since then the travel program has steadily declined. There used to be two teams for every age groups for both boys and girls. Currently, there is one boys U9 (2010) team, no 2009 boys teams, no 2008 boys teams, and no boys 2007 teams. I'm not sure about the girls but I think they have no 2009 girls team. one 2008 team, and no 2007 girls teams. It didn't help that the Technical Director quit in the middle of last summer with very short notice. I think this forum talked about FPYC a month or so ago about it imploding and the Director of Soccer must have caught wind because the Director of Soccer emailed the travel coaches and team managers and said that the travel program was not imploding and that he has full faith in the direction of the travel program and UK Elite. Right after that email, the head UK Elite guy emailed the club and said that he was cancelling 2007 boys tryouts. They weren't even going to try to make a 2007 team boys or girls for that matter. Since then, the boys 2008 team folded because I heard there are no UK Elite coaches available. I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But I hear the 2006 and 2005 boys team are doing well. Maybe some older ones too but, at this pace, the club will not have a travel program unless they get someone in there that can inspire some kids to play travel at that club.

I highly doubt that FPYC brought in outside players just to get a win. They definitely aren't about winning at all costs. Maybe your team isn't as good as you think it is. Is it SYA?

This was in the high school bracket. Again not trying to accuse them of anything, just were not expecting them to be so strong. I have been reading the other posts that claim their travel program has been regressing but these guys just blew away the rest of the competition. Does UK Elite also train the older teams?

I'm guessing these guys were trained by the earlier joga group.

But, doesn't matter if they aren't part of DA in this country. Talent will go unrecognized.

Why don't the good players on that team join one of the many DAs in this area? If they are good enough to show well against other DA players (and not just NCSL teams in the HS age group), then their talents will be recognized given that there are scouts and coaches at most DA games. Seems like a very simple solution to this perceived problem.

Logistics don’t work. Parents work on practically every case, rides would be a problem. Finding the money would be a problem. It’s not as simple as “why don’t they just join a DA.” Why can’t we have better scouting, how ridiculous that you have to be in the DA boys’ club to even get a look in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are FPYC teams supposed to be any good? We were caught a little off guard by them this past weekend. Not that it can’t happen to anyone, but I thought their travel program was weak and they focused mostly on rec. I guess the possibility exists that they brought outside players.

I wouldn't underestimate a TEAM just because the CLUB isn't that prominent or whatever. FPYC has a parent volunteer rec program, so I'm not sure how much the club focuses on the rec program. The program goes as the volunteerism goes. The club does provide plenty of field space. As for the travel program, a few years ago, it was really building itself and had a very good pre-travel academy starting at U6 and they had strong U9-U12 travel teams that came through that pre-travel program. However, the pre-travel academy is pretty much dead from what I hear currently. About three years ago, FPYC went with UK Elite to run it's pre-travel academy and all new travel teams were forced to hire a UK Elite trainer. Joga and FPYC went their separate ways. Note that Joga trainers assisted in the pre travel academy and coached/trained several (but not all by any means) travel teams especially most of the youngest travel teams. Since then the travel program has steadily declined. There used to be two teams for every age groups for both boys and girls. Currently, there is one boys U9 (2010) team, no 2009 boys teams, no 2008 boys teams, and no boys 2007 teams. I'm not sure about the girls but I think they have no 2009 girls team. one 2008 team, and no 2007 girls teams. It didn't help that the Technical Director quit in the middle of last summer with very short notice. I think this forum talked about FPYC a month or so ago about it imploding and the Director of Soccer must have caught wind because the Director of Soccer emailed the travel coaches and team managers and said that the travel program was not imploding and that he has full faith in the direction of the travel program and UK Elite. Right after that email, the head UK Elite guy emailed the club and said that he was cancelling 2007 boys tryouts. They weren't even going to try to make a 2007 team boys or girls for that matter. Since then, the boys 2008 team folded because I heard there are no UK Elite coaches available. I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But I hear the 2006 and 2005 boys team are doing well. Maybe some older ones too but, at this pace, the club will not have a travel program unless they get someone in there that can inspire some kids to play travel at that club.

I highly doubt that FPYC brought in outside players just to get a win. They definitely aren't about winning at all costs. Maybe your team isn't as good as you think it is. Is it SYA?

This was in the high school bracket. Again not trying to accuse them of anything, just were not expecting them to be so strong. I have been reading the other posts that claim their travel program has been regressing but these guys just blew away the rest of the competition. Does UK Elite also train the older teams?

I'm guessing these guys were trained by the earlier joga group.

But, doesn't matter if they aren't part of DA in this country. Talent will go unrecognized.

Why don't the good players on that team join one of the many DAs in this area? If they are good enough to show well against other DA players (and not just NCSL teams in the HS age group), then their talents will be recognized given that there are scouts and coaches at most DA games. Seems like a very simple solution to this perceived problem.

Logistics don’t work. Parents work on practically every case, rides would be a problem. Finding the money would be a problem. It’s not as simple as “why don’t they just join a DA.” Why can’t we have better scouting, how ridiculous that you have to be in the DA boys’ club to even get a look in.

If they can afford to play for an area travel club and are able to get rides to and from games and practices at their club, then they should be able to get to one of the area DAs. There will also be carpools available if the kids live in the Fairfax area. Most of the boys DA's are cheaper than local travel clubs for HS age teams, and they offer good financial aid for talented players who need it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are FPYC teams supposed to be any good? We were caught a little off guard by them this past weekend. Not that it can’t happen to anyone, but I thought their travel program was weak and they focused mostly on rec. I guess the possibility exists that they brought outside players.

I wouldn't underestimate a TEAM just because the CLUB isn't that prominent or whatever. FPYC has a parent volunteer rec program, so I'm not sure how much the club focuses on the rec program. The program goes as the volunteerism goes. The club does provide plenty of field space. As for the travel program, a few years ago, it was really building itself and had a very good pre-travel academy starting at U6 and they had strong U9-U12 travel teams that came through that pre-travel program. However, the pre-travel academy is pretty much dead from what I hear currently. About three years ago, FPYC went with UK Elite to run it's pre-travel academy and all new travel teams were forced to hire a UK Elite trainer. Joga and FPYC went their separate ways. Note that Joga trainers assisted in the pre travel academy and coached/trained several (but not all by any means) travel teams especially most of the youngest travel teams. Since then the travel program has steadily declined. There used to be two teams for every age groups for both boys and girls. Currently, there is one boys U9 (2010) team, no 2009 boys teams, no 2008 boys teams, and no boys 2007 teams. I'm not sure about the girls but I think they have no 2009 girls team. one 2008 team, and no 2007 girls teams. It didn't help that the Technical Director quit in the middle of last summer with very short notice. I think this forum talked about FPYC a month or so ago about it imploding and the Director of Soccer must have caught wind because the Director of Soccer emailed the travel coaches and team managers and said that the travel program was not imploding and that he has full faith in the direction of the travel program and UK Elite. Right after that email, the head UK Elite guy emailed the club and said that he was cancelling 2007 boys tryouts. They weren't even going to try to make a 2007 team boys or girls for that matter. Since then, the boys 2008 team folded because I heard there are no UK Elite coaches available. I mean it's a sad state of affairs. But I hear the 2006 and 2005 boys team are doing well. Maybe some older ones too but, at this pace, the club will not have a travel program unless they get someone in there that can inspire some kids to play travel at that club.

I highly doubt that FPYC brought in outside players just to get a win. They definitely aren't about winning at all costs. Maybe your team isn't as good as you think it is. Is it SYA?

This was in the high school bracket. Again not trying to accuse them of anything, just were not expecting them to be so strong. I have been reading the other posts that claim their travel program has been regressing but these guys just blew away the rest of the competition. Does UK Elite also train the older teams?

I'm guessing these guys were trained by the earlier joga group.

But, doesn't matter if they aren't part of DA in this country. Talent will go unrecognized.

Why don't the good players on that team join one of the many DAs in this area? If they are good enough to show well against other DA players (and not just NCSL teams in the HS age group), then their talents will be recognized given that there are scouts and coaches at most DA games. Seems like a very simple solution to this perceived problem.

Logistics don’t work. Parents work on practically every case, rides would be a problem. Finding the money would be a problem. It’s not as simple as “why don’t they just join a DA.” Why can’t we have better scouting, how ridiculous that you have to be in the DA boys’ club to even get a look in.

If they can afford to play for an area travel club and are able to get rides to and from games and practices at their club, then they should be able to get to one of the area DAs. There will also be carpools available if the kids live in the Fairfax area. Most of the boys DA's are cheaper than local travel clubs for HS age teams, and they offer good financial aid for talented players who need it.

We have the lowest prices in the area, and our boys are happy with the training they receive and the team’s collective style of play. I think they’re good.
Status isn’t everything to their families. I think not being able to play HS soccer would be a dealbreaker for them as well.

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^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. What age group?

The former FPYC player footprint in the boys DA, and DC in particular, is actually surprisingly large, but that has more to do with the quality of players that were developed and/or passed through during the Joga years than anything.

By my count, former FPYC players from 06-02 at DA clubs: 4 Bethesda, 8 DC, 2 VDA, 1 Loudoun, 6 Arlington. Another is now in Holland and just got called up to the U15 national team. That is quite impressive and something a small club should be proud of, but instead they refused to support those responsible for doing that work, cast their lot with UK Elite (real appealing to the latino immigrant pop - NOT), and it's been a steady decline ever since.

There are still some good players that remain in those age groups, but no, they are not DA caliber. That is in no in no way meant as an insult, it's just reality. They are good players, and it's great they are enjoying the game and playing good soccer, but it is just not accurate to imply that the only reason they won't be noticed and selected for higher levels is because they chose not to join DA teams.

It should also be noted that the FPYC technical director was listed as a DC United youth scout, so presumably if FPYC had DA quality players, he would have scouted them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. What age group?

The former FPYC player footprint in the boys DA, and DC in particular, is actually surprisingly large, but that has more to do with the quality of players that were developed and/or passed through during the Joga years than anything.

By my count, former FPYC players from 06-02 at DA clubs: 4 Bethesda, 8 DC, 2 VDA, 1 Loudoun, 6 Arlington. Another is now in Holland and just got called up to the U15 national team. That is quite impressive and something a small club should be proud of, but instead they refused to support those responsible for doing that work, cast their lot with UK Elite (real appealing to the latino immigrant pop - NOT), and it's been a steady decline ever since.

There are still some good players that remain in those age groups, but no, they are not DA caliber. That is in no in no way meant as an insult, it's just reality. They are good players, and it's great they are enjoying the game and playing good soccer, but it is just not accurate to imply that the only reason they won't be noticed and selected for higher levels is because they chose not to join DA teams.

It should also be noted that the FPYC technical director was listed as a DC United youth scout, so presumably if FPYC had DA quality players, he would have scouted them.

Just saw the U15 usnt roster. Almost zero 2nd half of the year birthdates. Also, the field players from this area—springfield, dc, chantilly, Woodbridge are all taller by many inches (5’9-5’10 for the dcu players at age 13-14) than rest of kids from other areas of the country.

It doesn’t bode well for average/shorter players from DC/VA area, but it’s contistent with what Ive seen on how players are chosen at most top clubs/club da around here.

There are a lot of barely 5’ft new 13-year olds that will ultimately be 6 footers—but too late by the time they reach that height here—they aren’t in the system for looks, bypassed too early by the system. Early physical developers trump others. We have our feeders in place by 16..

[Anonymous]

Pp. That has always been our two main problems: scouting and how we develop/and give up too soon on kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. What age group?

The former FPYC player footprint in the boys DA, and DC in particular, is actually surprisingly large, but that has more to do with the quality of players that were developed and/or passed through during the Joga years than anything.

By my count, former FPYC players from 06-02 at DA clubs: 4 Bethesda, 8 DC, 2 VDA, 1 Loudoun, 6 Arlington. Another is now in Holland and just got called up to the U15 national team. That is quite impressive and something a small club should be proud of, but instead they refused to support those responsible for doing that work, cast their lot with UK Elite (real appealing to the latino immigrant pop - NOT), and it's been a steady decline ever since.

There are still some good players that remain in those age groups, but no, they are not DA caliber. That is in no in no way meant as an insult, it's just reality. They are good players, and it's great they are enjoying the game and playing good soccer, but it is just not accurate to imply that the only reason they won't be noticed and selected for higher levels is because they chose not to join DA teams.

It should also be noted that the FPYC technical director was listed as a DC United youth scout, so presumably if FPYC had DA quality players, he would have scouted them.

No one implied that, you just went off on some tangent.

[Anonymous]

Which program is better? Bryc ECNL or McLean's?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. What age group?

The former FPYC player footprint in the boys DA, and DC in particular, is actually surprisingly large, but that has more to do with the quality of players that were developed and/or passed through during the Joga years than anything.

By my count, former FPYC players from 06-02 at DA clubs: 4 Bethesda, 8 DC, 2 VDA, 1 Loudoun, 6 Arlington. Another is now in Holland and just got called up to the U15 national team. That is quite impressive and something a small club should be proud of, but instead they refused to support those responsible for doing that work, cast their lot with UK Elite (real appealing to the latino immigrant pop - NOT), and it's been a steady decline ever since.

There are still some good players that remain in those age groups, but no, they are not DA caliber. That is in no in no way meant as an insult, it's just reality. They are good players, and it's great they are enjoying the game and playing good soccer, but it is just not accurate to imply that the only reason they won't be noticed and selected for higher levels is because they chose not to join DA teams.

It should also be noted that the FPYC technical director was listed as a DC United youth scout, so presumably if FPYC had DA quality players, he would have scouted them.

There are definitely more than one Joga/FPYC kid playing in Europe right now but you mentioned the one in Holland that was recently called up for the U15 NT. When did he play for Joga or FPYC? My son is younger but has trained with Joga for years and I never saw him around any training session but I definitely saw his younger brother and sister at Joga. The younger brother definitely played for FPYC as well. I love giving credit when credit is due but I'm not sure about this one. Help me out. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^To the FPYC parent who posted above. In no way am I suggesting that any kids on your team or any other team ought to go elsewhere if they are happy with their situation. My only point is that if a player in our area wants to get scouted by YNT or pro scouts eventually, it's not nearly so difficult as a lot of people on here make it out to be.

I know it’s not, thanks for having a conversation. I heard one of the players who doesn’t even start was invited back to train with DCU after his initial try-out, so the opportunities are certainly there. Like I said, I think everyone is just happy with how things are currently going.

Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. What age group?

The former FPYC player footprint in the boys DA, and DC in particular, is actually surprisingly large, but that has more to do with the quality of players that were developed and/or passed through during the Joga years than anything.

By my count, former FPYC players from 06-02 at DA clubs: 4 Bethesda, 8 DC, 2 VDA, 1 Loudoun, 6 Arlington. Another is now in Holland and just got called up to the U15 national team. That is quite impressive and something a small club should be proud of, but instead they refused to support those responsible for doing that work, cast their lot with UK Elite (real appealing to the latino immigrant pop - NOT), and it's been a steady decline ever since.

There are still some good players that remain in those age groups, but no, they are not DA caliber. That is in no in no way meant as an insult, it's just reality. They are good players, and it's great they are enjoying the game and playing good soccer, but it is just not accurate to imply that the only reason they won't be noticed and selected for higher levels is because they chose not to join DA teams.

It should also be noted that the FPYC technical director was listed as a DC United youth scout, so presumably if FPYC had DA quality players, he would have scouted them.

There are definitely more than one Joga/FPYC kid playing in Europe right now but you mentioned the one in Holland that was recently called up for the U15 NT. When did he play for Joga or FPYC? My son is younger but has trained with Joga for years and I never saw him around any training session but I definitely saw his younger brother and sister at Joga. The younger brother definitely played for FPYC as well. I love giving credit when credit is due but I'm not sure about this one. Help me out. Thanks.

For one season - in 2014-15. The same year his younger brother was with the U9s. When Joga left FPYC and went off on its own, he turned them down and went to LMVSC instead. A year later he left for DCU, then the next year he moved to Holland. Before Joga/FPYC I think he may have played for Barca and CYA.

Some coaches love to take credit for any kid who ever passed through, however briefly. I've even seen kids listed on websites or mentioned on twitter who only guest played in a couple of tournaments, or attended a clinic or two. If a player was on a team for a whole year, then yeah, I think it's fair to say the coach had an impact. As far as credit for "developing" the player though, I think they'd need to be there for 3 or more years at least. To my knowledge there are only 2 Joga players (brothers) who you could really say that about. The same could be said for all of the coaches who list all of the many national team or college players they've "developed", even when those players only joined a top team for exposure purposes relatively late on in their youth careers.