Beauvoir Outplacment Results

[Anonymous]

This is so true pp!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at this thread in amazement. We are taking about third grade kids. They are so little you have no idea who will be the great students down the road. I have an older child and there are kids who are rocks stars at older students who were a hot mess in third grade. Placement after third is about factors beyond the kids. Great that everyone is happy with their placement.

I now have two children at university, and I would respectfully disagree. In many cases by third grade, through a combination of maturity of presentation and speech, ability to easily understand higher math concepts, early grades and standardized testing (ERBs), you can determine - with a surprising degree of accuracy - which children are academically gifted, and will excel at their studies. I would argue you can similarly tell at a young age which students are musically or artistically gifted, athletically talented, or socially adept.

When I look back at the students considered to be the "smartest" in elementary school by their peers (in my own children's classes) at one of these k-12 schools, they by-and-large (with the exception of one student who fell into a fast, party crowd) ended up at Cambridge, Chicago, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Oxford, Stanford, and Yale.

What you cannot necessarily predict by third grade is which of these children will grow up to be happy, adaptable, kind, free from anxiety or depression, successful in life, and able to avoid the pitfalls of substance abuse. Those things do not necessarily go hand-in-hand with being academically gifted, but are no less valuable attributes in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:11, you mistakenly assume that (1) all BVR parents enroll their children there with a plan from the start and (2) their goal when leaving BVR is to never ever have to do outplacement again. Perhaps some parents at the start of third grade assess what might work best for their child in fourth grade, even if it means reassessing again for middle or upper school. And please do not forget that some of those who hope to be "done" with outplacement at this stage may later look at their unhappy middle schooler and think about making a move from their K-12.

You do not know these specific families or their reasons. I know many and respect their decisions. Good luck to the graduating class!

The words used in the post were "generally speaking," which does not imply all. It does imply most/a majority. Generally speaking, most (but not all) would like to continue with the Cathedral schools when the enter Beauvoir. And, generally speaking, BVR parents don't send their kids there with the plan to continue on to a K-6 or K-8. Some, of course, might enter with that intent -- but they would be a tiny minority. Some may want public afterwards. But, generally speaking, those who want k-6 and k-8 do so from the outset and wouldn't go to Beauvoir as it can be more socially challenging to enter a k-6 or k-8 in later years. Some parents find their kids have learning disabilities and make a change. But, by large, families don't select Beauvoir with the game plan of "Oh, I want my child to do Beauvoir and then we'll switch to a k-6 or k-8." The one exception I could I see is switching to St. Pats if you want to keep the Episcopal co-ed education and don't want to do same sex. Otherwise, it would make more sense to go to one or any of these schools from the outset and not come in as a new kid to a small k-6, k-8 in a non-entry grade.

The results also mention that 12 percent, 10 kids didn't end up at their first choice, so that would also lend credence to the assessment that people don't come to Beauvoir hoping to scoot on to WES or Lowell, for example. Both are fine schools, but they're not the envisioned trajectory for most when they arrive at Beauvoir.

Beauvoir, of course, will be fine and a new head is coming in and will likely address the gap left when the previous outplacement director departed.

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Anonymous wrote:

OMG! How do you even know what “tier” the kids are in? You’re obviously guessing.

Indeed. Other than the "tier" of kids who by third grade have been identified as having some sort of learning challenge, the only way to identify a tier is by parental social and economic status.

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Anonymous wrote:My assessment: it doesn't necessarily look like a redemption from last year's results. I know some on this board had said this class would be different.

Glad to hear that there seem to be stronger results to STA and NCS this year as a majority of parents enter Beauvoir with that intention. (Not all, but definitely a majority.)

Generally speaking, moving to St. Pat's, NPS, Lowell, and Grace Episcopal are not usually the ideal trajectory simply because you have to apply once again in a few years. Mater Dei may be the desire for a Catholic education and/or closer to home. McLean is also a specialized school and Berkeley is an out-of-town move, so not reading into those.

It's the number of k-6, k-8 choices that is surprising. All schools are fine, but if you want that route, you typically start at one of those schools in the first place. Typically people don't go to BVR with the intention of then switching to a k-6 or k-8. Again, trying to be objective here. Not sure what of this, really.

+1000

90% of kids going to STA and NCS is amazing. That is pretty much the entire 4th grade class at each. There is nothing negative about these results. Amazing results. The few students that didn't get their first choice often want coed over single sex and Maret is often their first choice and they just don't have the slots available. Their entire class of third grade is 28 students.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My assessment: it doesn't necessarily look like a redemption from last year's results. I know some on this board had said this class would be different.

Glad to hear that there seem to be stronger results to STA and NCS this year as a majority of parents enter Beauvoir with that intention. (Not all, but definitely a majority.)

Generally speaking, moving to St. Pat's, NPS, Lowell, and Grace Episcopal are not usually the ideal trajectory simply because you have to apply once again in a few years. Mater Dei may be the desire for a Catholic education and/or closer to home. McLean is also a specialized school and Berkeley is an out-of-town move, so not reading into those.

It's the number of k-6, k-8 choices that is surprising. All schools are fine, but if you want that route, you typically start at one of those schools in the first place. Typically people don't go to BVR with the intention of then switching to a k-6 or k-8. Again, trying to be objective here. Not sure what of this, really.

+1000

90% of kids going to STA and NCS is amazing. That is pretty much the entire 4th grade class at each. There is nothing negative about these results. Amazing results. The few students that didn't get their first choice often want coed over single sex and Maret is often their first choice and they just don't have the slots available. Their entire class of third grade is 28 students.

What is so amazing about going to the next school in the chain?

[Anonymous]

I'm curious to know if there is just 1 student heading to the French school in Berkeley.

[Anonymous]

Clearly you don’t have kids on the close. getting into Saint Albans or NCS from Beauvoir is not in anyway automatic. Those kids have to be qualified and would not get in otherwise. So yes, it is a big deal to have that many kids going to NCS or saint Albans

[Anonymous]

Come on do you know how many academically qualities kids
Do not get into STA for fourth? It is because Beauvoir clogs it up. Sad that STA got bullied into not taking in more outsiders. It is like a club that starts at nursery and you have no hope getting into unless you are hooked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on do you know how many academically qualities kids
Do not get into STA for fourth? It is because Beauvoir clogs it up. Sad that STA got bullied into not taking in more outsiders. It is like a club that starts at nursery and you have no hope getting into unless you are hooked.

You sound bitter. The Beauvoir kids also have academically gifted students and they get a priority because they’re part of the cathedral family. It is a feeder but it’s not an automatic admission. Beauvoir, NCS, and STA are a family of schools and have many inter-school events and chapel services and crossover.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on do you know how many academically qualities kids
Do not get into STA for fourth? It is because Beauvoir clogs it up. Sad that STA got bullied into not taking in more outsiders. It is like a club that starts at nursery and you have no hope getting into unless you are hooked.

You sound bitter. The Beauvoir kids also have academically gifted students and they get a priority because they’re part of the cathedral family. It is a feeder but it’s not an automatic admission. Beauvoir, NCS, and STA are a family of schools and have many inter-school events and chapel services and crossover.

That just proves the point of the pp. How is it amazing to get into the next stage school? STA has to accept even the less than average kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on do you know how many academically qualities kids
Do not get into STA for fourth? It is because Beauvoir clogs it up. Sad that STA got bullied into not taking in more outsiders. It is like a club that starts at nursery and you have no hope getting into unless you are hooked.

You sound bitter. The Beauvoir kids also have academically gifted students and they get a priority because they’re part of the cathedral family. It is a feeder but it’s not an automatic admission. Beauvoir, NCS, and STA are a family of schools and have many inter-school events and chapel services and crossover.

That just proves the point of the pp. How is it amazing to get into the next stage school? STA has to accept even the less than average kids.

They may get priority over another student with the same scores Because Beauvoir s a feeder to NCS and STA. Doesn’t mean they get in automatically. Sorry you’re having such trouble understanding that. The book award in our grade normally goes to a beauvoir boy and most of the kids that get academic prizes are from beauvoir.

[Anonymous]

Oh this is so frustrating how do you keep on missing the point. No there’s Absolutely no quota that Saint Albans has to adhere to For Beauvoir kids. That means, that if Saint Albans or NCS thinks the whole entire class is unqualified it can fail to admit them. This, last year not nearly as many kids from Beauvoir got in. The only advantage that Beauvoir kids get is that they apply early and the admissions team at Saint Albans determines early on whether or not the Beauvoir kids should get admitted. So yes that means that there are a number of non Beauvoir kids who won’t get in fourth because Beauvoir kids have the benefit of early admissions. Make no mistake, Beauvoir kids are not clogging up saint Albans. They’re there because they deserve to be there.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

90% of kids going to STA and NCS is amazing. That is pretty much the entire 4th grade class at each. There is nothing negative about these results. Amazing results. The few students that didn't get their first choice often want coed over single sex and Maret is often their first choice and they just don't have the slots available. Their entire class of third grade is 28 students.

What is so amazing about going to the next school in the chain?

Because last year a smaller percentage were admitted, causing much consternation among Beauvoir parents who chose that school with the expectation their children could continue on to STA/NCS.

(BTW, the stats presented were "accepted" not "plan to matriculate".

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Anonymous wrote:The book award in our grade normally goes to a beauvoir boy and most of the kids that get academic prizes are from beauvoir.

It's possible for Beauvoir grads to have very strong individual students but be weaker in the aggregate than those entering the Cathedral schools in 4th grade from other parts of the area. Not contradictory at all.