Would you recommend child take SAT again w/ this score (aiming relatively high with colleges)?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that part is true.

Williams has clearly defined academic rating numbers where they distinguish between a 34 and a 35/36: http://ephblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Academic-Rating-Details.pdf

It is true.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that part is true.

Williams has clearly defined academic rating numbers where they distinguish between a 34 and a 35/36: http://ephblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Academic-Rating-Details.pdf

It is true.

Nope. This is not from Williams admissions, but from a right-wing blog. Some info here: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/williams-college/2005870-role-of-ecs-academic-rating-in-williams-admissions.html

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

FYI: MIT superstores both the SAT and the ACT . Most applicants (even high stats ones who apply to MIT), apply to many schools, some that score and some that do not. So taking a test 2 Times does not hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

FYI: MIT superstores both the SAT and the ACT . Most applicants (even high stats ones who apply to MIT), apply to many schools, some that score and some that do not. So taking a test 2 Times does not hurt.

School's admission policy =/= doesn't hurt

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Also, think about why some top tier schools require ALL test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

PP, where are you getting this "one dimensional" and "professional test takers" baloney? Is it from any practical experience? I doubt it.

FWIW, we have 3 at Ivies right now. I certainly concur with any guidance that a student should make at least one or two or (gasp) even three subsequent attempts if the initial score can be improved. There is no penalty for trying more than once and most applicants do take the tests, whether they be ACT or SAT, more than once. In fact, I cannot think of any of our children's friends at their Ivies who were one and done.

And, yes, it absolutely does come up that first freshman year when we are taking out 5-6 friends out to dinner along with our kid when we are at the school/s for the weekend. NO, my husband and I don't specifically ask or grill the children. But each time we've done a group dinner like that it has been a natural part of the conversation that the kids themselves have brought up as part of the dinner conversation, much like when they talk about their families or other things they will mention the roller coaster application process.

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

PP, where are you getting this "one dimensional" and "professional test takers" baloney? Is it from any practical experience? I doubt it.

FWIW, we have 3 at Ivies right now. I certainly concur with any guidance that a student should make at least one or two or (gasp) even three subsequent attempts if the initial score can be improved. There is no penalty for trying more than once and most applicants do take the tests, whether they be ACT or SAT, more than once. In fact, I cannot think of any of our children's friends at their Ivies who were one and done.

And, yes, it absolutely does come up that first freshman year when we are taking out 5-6 friends out to dinner along with our kid when we are at the school/s for the weekend. NO, my husband and I don't specifically ask or grill the children. But each time we've done a group dinner like that it has been a natural part of the conversation that the kids themselves have brought up as part of the dinner conversation, much like when they talk about their families or other things they will mention the roller coaster application process.

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There is absolutely a difference between a 34 and a 36.

https://www.brown.edu/admission/undergraduate/facts

Brown admits 28% of those with a 36, compared to 11% of those with a 33-35.

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I would recommend that she take it again, but only if she will prep for it. Prep meaning doing lots of practice questions. If she can’t or won’t prep she risks her score going down.

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There are very few kids who are one and done. If you can do it, great. But, most kids don’t have this happen. Most kids take a test at least twice. Then, many (if they don’t improve significantly, take the “other” test (ACT if SAT was tried first). Yes, testing can be expensive. So only do this if you afford to do so. But, you’re naive to believe that most kids applying to the top schools don’t test multiple times. Ask your high school counselor. My DC attends a very competitive magnet school that sends *many* kids to Ivies and top tech schools every year. Most kids attempt one or both tests twice. THEN, take SAT2 tests as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, think about why some top tier schools require ALL test scores.

Just like they all did back in the day...

It was better for all of us before superscoring inflated scores.

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Anonymous wrote:How are all the kids applying to college achieving SAT scores in the "upper 99th percentile".

By definition of "upper 99th percentile" very few kids would have these scores.

it's "single sitting" percentile vs. "super scoring" schools use in admission process. For example, only 1 out of 100 kids may get to a 33 (or whatever 99 percentile score is) in a single sitting, but multiple kids will get a 33 if superscoring is allowed.

Do colleges know if you are submitting a single sitting score or a super score?

They do not care. If policy is super-scoring, you don't get "extra pts" for submitting a single sitting store. It's better to take the exam again for super scoring schools. The only exception when you do NOT want to retake is top tier schools. If you retake 34 to get 35 or 36, they will not view that in positive light.

Interesting. Where did you find this info? (The part where top tier schools frown upon retaking a 34 for a higher score?)

Schools don’t want “professional test takers.” One of the issues with Asian applicants.

I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

PP, where are you getting this "one dimensional" and "professional test takers" baloney? Is it from any practical experience? I doubt it.

FWIW, we have 3 at Ivies right now. I certainly concur with any guidance that a student should make at least one or two or (gasp) even three subsequent attempts if the initial score can be improved. There is no penalty for trying more than once and most applicants do take the tests, whether they be ACT or SAT, more than once. In fact, I cannot think of any of our children's friends at their Ivies who were one and done.

And, yes, it absolutely does come up that first freshman year when we are taking out 5-6 friends out to dinner along with our kid when we are at the school/s for the weekend. NO, my husband and I don't specifically ask or grill the children. But each time we've done a group dinner like that it has been a natural part of the conversation that the kids themselves have brought up as part of the dinner conversation, much like when they talk about their families or other things they will mention the roller coaster application process.

LOL @ 3 at Ivies. Speaking of baloney.

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Anonymous wrote:WashU (which is slightly below Chicago, Columbia, Brown, Pomona in selectivity) listed their bottom 25% for the SAT starting at 1500 for the Class of 2022. It's so competitive these days that you want to be in the upper end of the 99th percentile to be safe (scores listed as 99+ for SAT user in the second link)

https://admissions.wustl.edu/apply_site/Pages/Profile.aspx

https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf

Wow. I got into Chicago with a 1400 on my SAT in 2004. Not a URM, but an honors GPA from a top private HS. Still, probably wouldn’t have gotten in today, I guess.

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I agree with you. But how is taking a test twice make one a professional test taker? In fact, most prep courses recommend taking a test twice for super scoring purposes. As PP stated, you don’t get extra points for scoring 1550 in one sitting if a school superscores.

Again, for superscoring schools, by all means, retake the exam. For top tier schools (Ivy, MIT, and Stanford), retaking a 34 will make the applicant somewhat one dimensional - particularly when there are thousands of single sitting 35s and 36s in the applicant pool. From admission standpoint, they are in the same "read" file so it doesn't make big difference. It's not like these schools admit/reject based on test scores of 34 vs 35/36.

PP, where are you getting this "one dimensional" and "professional test takers" baloney? Is it from any practical experience? I doubt it.

FWIW, we have 3 at Ivies right now. I certainly concur with any guidance that a student should make at least one or two or (gasp) even three subsequent attempts if the initial score can be improved. There is no penalty for trying more than once and most applicants do take the tests, whether they be ACT or SAT, more than once. In fact, I cannot think of any of our children's friends at their Ivies who were one and done.

And, yes, it absolutely does come up that first freshman year when we are taking out 5-6 friends out to dinner along with our kid when we are at the school/s for the weekend. NO, my husband and I don't specifically ask or grill the children. But each time we've done a group dinner like that it has been a natural part of the conversation that the kids themselves have brought up as part of the dinner conversation, much like when they talk about their families or other things they will mention the roller coaster application process.

URM?

Two are, one is not. Interestingly, the first one in is not URM. We are not legacy anything. Did they all have "hooks"? Sure.