Is "Woke" School Board Member Pat Hynes a Hypocrite?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jackson's membership will continue to rise. That Merrifield area is one of the Fairfax County zones of development (p. 121 of the CIP). The projection is for Jackson to be 100 students above capacity in 5 yrs (assuming 300 are siphoned off with re-zoning now/near term). I wouldn't be surprised if some kids need to be zoned out of Jackson and into Poe at a later date.

The percentage of FARMS being moved out of Jackson is going to be higher than 25% of the moved group. But, even if we don't know that exactly percentage....

You still haven't addressed the other half of the reason for this rezoning.... Thoreau HAS 350 extra seats. You think those should just sit idle while Poe (which already has more than it's share of needy kids) takes on MORE needy kids? That doesn't make sense.

I get it -- you want to protect the LJMS rankings (and property values). But, you're only solving half of the equation. Thoreau has 912 kids in a school that is designed for 1350. I am happy to send my kid to a school that has so much extra space (and is new-ish too!).

Seriously, though... Thoreau has space for more kids. Jackson doesn't have enough space for the kids it has. Whatever else is happening... those are the two primary issues that need to be resolved. Everything else is secondary.

So, which kids from Jackson are going to be sent to Thoreau? It makes sense that the two ES that are ALREADY split feeders to Thoreau/Jackson should be consolidated to Thoreau feeders. Then the only remaining school at issue is Mosby. If it is not re-zoned, then it becomes the only ES feeder at Jackson that goes onto Oakton. That puts those kids in an awkward position (as it also puts the OES->OHS kids and the MRES->OHS kids who move to TMS in an awkward position) b/c their MS-->HS cohorts are very small.

So, logically, it makes sense to move them all so that they create an OHS cohort at TMS.

Sometimes it's not about the racial/economic factors. Sometimes it's just about the logistics and social factors.

If you care about split feeders you ought to be aghast at the prospect of turning Thoreau into a three-way split feeders to Madison, Oakton, and Marshall. And please don’t ask us to pretend you give a rat’s ass about Poe or what FCPS’s proposal to further concentrate poverty at Jackson.

If filling seats at Thoreau while leaving even a higher percentage of empty seats at Poe is really an imperative, FCPS could move part of Kilmer to Thoreau. The plan you favor is just more opportunism by people who never pass up s chance to cry “logistics” when it will distance themselves from lower-income kids.

Well, actually, I don't really have any interest in Poe one way or the other. I can just imagine that if a school has 75% FARMS kids already, they probably don't need to add more of the neediest kids (FARMS kids from Jackson) to their roster. On the other hand, the TMS admin. has a relatively low farms "burden" so, they are probably in a better position to give help.

The "logistics" I speak of (and you reference in your last sentence) don't "distance" me from lower-income kids. They actually bring more lower-income kids my way! (I think I mentioned the 35(?)% farms rate of the kids who would be moved?) Those kids would be coming over to TMS to be with my kid(s).

It's kind of ironic, in some ways.... the group you see as being your "don't want to lose" group (b/c they are the higher income part of LJMS) is the group that would be the needier part of TMS! So, it's all a matter of what you are comparing them to! In either case, both TMS and LJMS want these kids to come to their school! They are a lucky group!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jackson's membership will continue to rise. That Merrifield area is one of the Fairfax County zones of development (p. 121 of the CIP). The projection is for Jackson to be 100 students above capacity in 5 yrs (assuming 300 are siphoned off with re-zoning now/near term). I wouldn't be surprised if some kids need to be zoned out of Jackson and into Poe at a later date.

The percentage of FARMS being moved out of Jackson is going to be higher than 25% of the moved group. But, even if we don't know that exactly percentage....

You still haven't addressed the other half of the reason for this rezoning.... Thoreau HAS 350 extra seats. You think those should just sit idle while Poe (which already has more than it's share of needy kids) takes on MORE needy kids? That doesn't make sense.

I get it -- you want to protect the LJMS rankings (and property values). But, you're only solving half of the equation. Thoreau has 912 kids in a school that is designed for 1350. I am happy to send my kid to a school that has so much extra space (and is new-ish too!).

Seriously, though... Thoreau has space for more kids. Jackson doesn't have enough space for the kids it has. Whatever else is happening... those are the two primary issues that need to be resolved. Everything else is secondary.

So, which kids from Jackson are going to be sent to Thoreau? It makes sense that the two ES that are ALREADY split feeders to Thoreau/Jackson should be consolidated to Thoreau feeders. Then the only remaining school at issue is Mosby. If it is not re-zoned, then it becomes the only ES feeder at Jackson that goes onto Oakton. That puts those kids in an awkward position (as it also puts the OES->OHS kids and the MRES->OHS kids who move to TMS in an awkward position) b/c their MS-->HS cohorts are very small.

So, logically, it makes sense to move them all so that they create an OHS cohort at TMS.

I heard if they did that though, there would be too many kids at Thoreau.

Sometimes it's not about the racial/economic factors. Sometimes it's just about the logistics and social factors.

[Anonymous]

I heard if they did that though, there would be too many kids at Thoreau.

[Anonymous]

I heard Kilmer wasn't going to be crowded anymore now that Cooper AAP kids can't go to Kilmer anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard if they did that though, there would be too many kids at Thoreau.

Not true. If all move ES being considered move it is about 300 kids. Which is exactly what both MS need to get/give to be in good capacity.

[Anonymous]

Thoreau recently was renovated, increasing its capacity from about 850 to about 1200 kids. Vienna is not really growing.
LJ is very over crowded. Easiest thing to do is to 1) make Thoreau an AAP center (that will transfer about 100 kids from LJ to Thoreau). 2) Move kids that are closer to Thoreau to Thoreau.

I do not know what your problem is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thoreau recently was renovated, increasing its capacity from about 850 to about 1200 kids. Vienna is not really growing.
LJ is very over crowded. Easiest thing to do is to 1) make Thoreau an AAP center (that will transfer about 100 kids from LJ to Thoreau). 2) Move kids that are closer to Thoreau to Thoreau.

I do not know what your problem is.

winner!

[Anonymous]

We could also just increase density in Vienna and bring more affordable housing there to even out the schools. Why don't you understand that one school can't have all the affluent students and another school have all the low income students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard if they did that though, there would be too many kids at Thoreau.

Not true. If all move ES being considered move it is about 300 kids. Which is exactly what both MS need to get/give to be in good capacity.

Maybe it would just be too crowded if the AAP kids came along too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We could also just increase density in Vienna and bring more affordable housing there to even out the schools. Why don't you understand that one school can't have all the affluent students and another school have all the low income students?

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Town of Vienna Zoning will not let that happen.