Possible Asbergers

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Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.


Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.


Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.


Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.


No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.


They need the adult to teach and facilitate the skills and peers for practicing the skills. If they just magically learned from their peers (as typically developing children do), they wouldn't need social skills classes (run by trained adults). Some kids, before they can begin practicing social skills with other peers, need to practice with just adults (who are better than kids at changing their reactions to fit what's needed in a particular situation).


No one magically learns social skills. A facilitator isn't the person they're learning the social skills from. Practicing with adults doesn't help kids apply the skills with other kids. Look up Rick lavoie's work for starters.
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Anonymous wrote:If you are a functional adult, you don't have Asperger's.


Absolutely false.


Many thriving adults have Asperger's. You might want to try reading an article about the condition before you post on DCUM.


Unfortunately, the statistics just don't back that up. The social skills required for jobs and relationships are very challenging for those with autism.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2017/09/how_autism_complicates_the_path_to_employment.html

Autistic adults may very well be the most disadvantaged disability group in the American workplace. Only 14 percent of adults with autism held paid jobs in their communities, according to one May report from Drexel University’s Autism Institute (the report looked just at those who had received state developmental disabilities services).

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/health/irpt-autism-in-the-workplace/index.html

Becky Ketts, the director of rehabilitation services at Nobis Works, finds jobs for people on the autism spectrum while they go through the organization's training program. These training programs last anywhere from three months to a year, and teach everything from anger management to customer service.
These "soft skills" are essential for success in the workplace, Ketts explains, especially for those with autism disorders.
"Even the thought of interviewing for a job can be overwhelming for someone on the autism spectrum. That is such an intimate setting. That alone can keep people from finding a job," Ketts said.

https://www.theguardian.com/tmi/2016/oct/27/11-shocking-statistics-about-autism-and-employment
Fewer than one in six autistic adults are in full-time employment

Under 16% of survey participants have full-time paid work. This figure has hardly changed since 2007, when a previous National Autistic Society survey put the figure at 15%.[1]

A further one in six have part-time work

The survey finds that 16% are in part-time employment. This, at least, is an improvement on 2007, when that figure was 9%.[1]

In all, less than a third of autistic adults have any kind of paid work



Only 32% are in some kind of paid work, compared with 47% of disabled people and 80% of non-disabled people.[2]




OK Mr/Ms Statistics, are those percentage for individuals with HFA and above average intelligence - or just all individuals with ASD? Ever been to Ivymount and seen the difference between kids in the 3 programs? OP was talking about a kid who would be likely eligible for MAP. Your statistics are not very meaningful without more information.


Did you bother to read any of the stories? In the Slate story, the main person has an IQ of 145. He is brilliant, but very impaired. Not truly functional in our NT world.

Can't tell how functional he is based on IQ.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.


Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.


Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.


Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.


No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.


They need the adult to teach and facilitate the skills and peers for practicing the skills. If they just magically learned from their peers (as typically developing children do), they wouldn't need social skills classes (run by trained adults). Some kids, before they can begin practicing social skills with other peers, need to practice with just adults (who are better than kids at changing their reactions to fit what's needed in a particular situation).


No one magically learns social skills. A facilitator isn't the person they're learning the social skills from. Practicing with adults doesn't help kids apply the skills with other kids. Look up Rick lavoie's work for starters.


Here is an article by Rick Lavoie that describes the Social Autopsy, one technique for adults to teach kids social skills. I have used this technique with my own ASD kid and it does work.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.


Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.


Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.


Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.


No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.


They need the adult to teach and facilitate the skills and peers for practicing the skills. If they just magically learned from their peers (as typically developing children do), they wouldn't need social skills classes (run by trained adults). Some kids, before they can begin practicing social skills with other peers, need to practice with just adults (who are better than kids at changing their reactions to fit what's needed in a particular situation).


No one magically learns social skills. A facilitator isn't the person they're learning the social skills from. Practicing with adults doesn't help kids apply the skills with other kids. Look up Rick lavoie's work for starters.

Then what is the facilitator doing there?
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Facilitating. PP stop trying to pick pointless arguments.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Facilitating. PP stop trying to pick pointless arguments.


Wow. That answer just speaks for itself.
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