Radicalized White Nationalists in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Maybe work on your reading comprehension? It's never a bad idea to be able to read and understand others' words.

I read just fine. Identity politics is a misnomer here and you know it. I'm not kowtowing to someone else's intellectual dishonesty and blame shifting.

Good try. I said identity politics, and I meant identity politics. Why do you assume you can read my mind?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

Looks like the WHITE PANTHER is back!!! How are the dems doing running DC and pretty much every other major city? Can't wait for the peeps in NW DC to say how it is great LOLOLZ

[Anonymous]

And people wonder why folks from DC and MD don't like to cross the river.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

PP who asked about equality here. I've always heard equality phrased as "income equality," which is where I object, but I agree with what you've written above:

1) I did not know about the difference in the number of voting booths in white/black areas. The number of voting booths should be determined by population, regardless of race, although I can see where a pattern of "low participation" rates could factor in. If, for example, there are 50,000 in district #1 where traditionally 75% have voted, and 50,000 in district #2 where traditionally only 40% have voted, I can see the justification for allocating resources to reflect that.

2) Just for clarity, I never said, nor implied, that potential is based on race. I was thinking in terms of individual potential only.

3) As far as people getting shot in a car for being black, I agree that's horrendous. I don't know what more to say about that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Maybe work on your reading comprehension? It's never a bad idea to be able to read and understand others' words.

I read just fine. Identity politics is a misnomer here and you know it. I'm not kowtowing to someone else's intellectual dishonesty and blame shifting.

Good try. I said identity politics, and I meant identity politics. Why do you assume you can read my mind?



No I know exactly what you mean but I'm not playing your game. You're defending white supremacists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And people wonder why folks from DC and MD don't like to cross the river.

There's a big difference between NoVa and the rest of the state. Many of us would like to separate again (as was done with West Virginia), but that would leave a wealthy North Virginia and an impoverished South Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

This is such BS and you know it. Ask the people in Baltimore and Chicago what it is like to walk through some of the neighborhoods there. It is not police or white nationalists they fear.
I agree that the identity politics has become divisive and destructive.

[Anonymous]

If identity politics means that I support that every type of person should be allowed to vote and to be treated the same way by the police ... count me in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Looks like the WHITE PANTHER is back!!! How are the dems doing running DC and pretty much every other major city? Can't wait for the peeps in NW DC to say how it is great LOLOLZ

I am not quite sure where you are trying to go with your statement, but cities are generally doing very well right now. In fact, cities drive about 80% of the US GDP and are generally the centers of the arts, education, science and technology. Yes, there are issues in parts of cities like DC and Chicago, but on the whole, cities are flourishing now as they never have before. Generally speaking, the overall quality of life, the level of education, the levels of health and fitness are all way up historically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

This is such BS and you know it. Ask the people in Baltimore and Chicago what it is like to walk through some of the neighborhoods there. It is not police or white nationalists they fear.
I agree that the identity politics has become divisive and destructive.

I agree, there are small areas of places like Baltimore and Chicago that have major issues. But there are major issues in Appalachia and the sun belt where opioids are concerned as well. So if you want to try to make general false equivalences, that game can be played all day. The fact is, you don't see white people getting shot by police when being pulled over for no reason, but you see it with black people with regularity. You don't see politicians disenfranchisiing the white vote, but you see it systematically for blacks.

So yes, I stand by my words. Many parts of Baltimore and Chicago are doing incredibly well, so there is no reason to disparage the whole city when the issues are in a couple of neighborhoods, just like there is no reason to disparage the whole of rural America when the opiod issue is in a few areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

Your framing of the polling place problem is misleading. It's not "white leadership;" it's GOP leadership. The GOP doesn't do it because they are prejudiced against black people (although I'm sure many of them are); they do it because the black people are more likely to vote for Democrats.

If you conceive of these things solely as a "white v black" issue, sometimes you sacrifice nuance and miss the bigger picture. You need to know why something is happening in order to combat it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Maybe work on your reading comprehension? It's never a bad idea to be able to read and understand others' words.

I read just fine. Identity politics is a misnomer here and you know it. I'm not kowtowing to someone else's intellectual dishonesty and blame shifting.

Good try. I said identity politics, and I meant identity politics. Why do you assume you can read my mind?



No I know exactly what you mean but I'm not playing your game. You're defending white supremacists.

You know virtually nothing about me, but you're sure I'm a defender of white supremacists.

Adopting a simplistic view of American race relations where you're a crusading Good Guy capable of identifying racists in mere minutes over the Internet may make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, but I'm not sure it's actually helping the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such BS and you know it. Ask the people in Baltimore and Chicago what it is like to walk through some of the neighborhoods there. It is not police or white nationalists they fear.
I agree that the identity politics has become divisive and destructive.

Yeah, white power, amirite?

Grow up, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

This is called mental masturbation to justify bullshit. Keep feeding yourself whatever tripe you want to call it to push hate and fear in our society and at some point, when you are more rational and mature, if that ever happens, come back and read your post and then look yourself in the mirror.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of the problems with the left pushing identity politics is that it's inherently divisive and thus is conducive to this sort of awfulness. You can't constantly promote race pride when it comes to every non-white group and then be surprised when something like this happens. Some people (especially those going through hard times) get angry when they are constantly told how privileged they are because of their skin color, and they lash out in horrible ways.

So people who want equality for all are to blame for neo Nazis. Got it.

Exactly.

What exactly is this "equality for all"? Everyone who wants to go to college should be able to? Everyone should end up in the comfortable middle class? There shouldn't be people who earn $250,000 while others earn only $25,000?

I'm for equal opportunity, but it seems to me that many liberals are for equal outcomes. That's the difference. Some people are just more driven, harder-worker, and yes....smarter....than others. It doesn't help that we have to pretend that everyone has the same potential.

No, it means if you are walking through a neighborhood, even one where you live, you shouldn't have to fear getting shot and killed by an officer of the law because of your skin color or some self-investigating racist with a gun.

It means, when your county has polling places, there should be the same number of voting booths in both the "white" areas and the "black" areas. The "black" areas should have fewer polling places and fewer booth per location. The reason you see lines in places like NC and OH is because the white leadership is manipulating how and where voting takes place to make it harder for the black people to vote.

Not everyone has the same potential, and it is more based on socio-economic factors than race, but disenfranchising democratic basics like voting cut off a path to political equality on a proportionate level, and seeing video of people getting shot in a car for being black is disgusting. And now that every phone has a camera, we are seeing what had been lore for past generations.

Let's start with the basics.

PP who asked about equality here. I've always heard equality phrased as "income equality," which is where I object, but I agree with what you've written above:

1) I did not know about the difference in the number of voting booths in white/black areas. The number of voting booths should be determined by population, regardless of race, although I can see where a pattern of "low participation" rates could factor in. If, for example, there are 50,000 in district #1 where traditionally 75% have voted, and 50,000 in district #2 where traditionally only 40% have voted, I can see the justification for allocating resources to reflect that.

2) Just for clarity, I never said, nor implied, that potential is based on race. I was thinking in terms of individual potential only.

3) As far as people getting shot in a car for being black, I agree that's horrendous. I don't know what more to say about that one.

On point #1, you would need to start anew before tracking numbers because at the moment, votes are surpressed for this very reason. It is happening now in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, NC, WI and I would guess other states. But there is a reason why voter turnout in certain areas are lower. The bar has been artificially raised to make it harder for certain people to vote.

I am glad you agree on the other points.

So where does that leave things with respect to condoning or condemning this racist protest?