The Culprits Behind White Flight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL - did anyone read OP's post? It had two paragraphs from a NY Times opinion piece and one paragraph from a somewhat fringe Catholic book.

How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.

The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.

Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.

I'm one of the pp's you're referring to, and I guaruntee you I'm no "trumpkin". I'm a lifelong Democrat with blue-collar immigrant pro-Union parents. Last week's NYT magazine hit piece on the mortgage interest tax deduction was an appallingly slanted article going after middle-class families. I thought it was disgusting. And the same thing here, as if every action by a white middle-class family is due to racism. I don't consider the NYT an impartial news source any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL - did anyone read OP's post? It had two paragraphs from a NY Times opinion piece and one paragraph from a somewhat fringe Catholic book.

How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.

The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.

Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.

I'm one of the pp's you're referring to, and I guaruntee you I'm no "trumpkin". I'm a lifelong Democrat with blue-collar immigrant pro-Union parents. Last week's NYT magazine hit piece on the mortgage interest tax deduction was an appallingly slanted article going after middle-class families. I thought it was disgusting. And the same thing here, as if every action by a white middle-class family is due to racism. I don't consider the NYT an impartial news source any more.

I'm PP who suspects there are a sizeable number of Trumpkins (or now I am thinking maybe these people are Trumpkins in terms of mindset, if not conviction). OK so this thread isn't about the homeownership article, but it seems like any discussion of race makes you uncomfortable and I feel obligated to inquire a bit more.

PP is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/magazine/how-homeownership-became-the-engine-of-american-inequality.html

So the fact that homeownership is how most build their wealth and the additional fact that until a generation ago homeownership was much more difficult for a black person relative to a white person with the same means is some kind of reverse racism?

"But both in its design and its application, the G.I. Bill excluded a large number of citizens. To get the New Deal through Congress, Franklin Roosevelt needed to appease the Southern arm of the Democratic Party. So he acquiesced when Congress blocked many nonwhites, particularly African-Americans, from accessing his newly created ladders of opportunity. Farm work, housekeeping and other jobs disproportionately staffed by African-Americans were omitted from programs like Social Security and unemployment insurance. Local Veterans Affairs centers and other entities loyal to Jim Crow did their parts as well, systematically denying nonwhite veterans access to the G.I. Bill. If those veterans got past the V.A., they still had to contend with the banks, which denied loan applications in nonwhite neighborhoods because the Federal Housing Administration refused to insure mortgages there. From 1934 to 1968, the official F.H.A. policy of redlining made homeownership virtually impossible in black communities.”

This is all true.

[Anonymous]

It's all true.

What is NOT true is a deliberate conspiracy among WASPs (White Anglo Saxon Protestants). These racist practices were engaged by the broader white Americans (Protestants, Jewish, Catholics, non-practicing and from all ethnic backgrounds), and also heavily promoted by the liberal New Dealer Democrats of the time. Some of the racism was deliberate government policy whether by FDR's new Deal or the often ethnically white dominated local city governments, other racism was the much murkier cultural factors that everyone engaged in. That was what the argument against the OP was about.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL - did anyone read OP's post? It had two paragraphs from a NY Times opinion piece and one paragraph from a somewhat fringe Catholic book.

How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.

The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.

Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.

I'm one of the pp's you're referring to, and I guaruntee you I'm no "trumpkin". I'm a lifelong Democrat with blue-collar immigrant pro-Union parents. Last week's NYT magazine hit piece on the mortgage interest tax deduction was an appallingly slanted article going after middle-class families. I thought it was disgusting. And the same thing here, as if every action by a white middle-class family is due to racism. I don't consider the NYT an impartial news source any more.

I'm PP who suspects there are a sizeable number of Trumpkins (or now I am thinking maybe these people are Trumpkins in terms of mindset, if not conviction). OK so this thread isn't about the homeownership article, but it seems like any discussion of race makes you uncomfortable and I feel obligated to inquire a bit more.

PP is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/magazine/how-homeownership-became-the-engine-of-american-inequality.html

So the fact that homeownership is how most build their wealth and the additional fact that until a generation ago homeownership was much more difficult for a black person relative to a white person with the same means is some kind of reverse racism?

"But both in its design and its application, the G.I. Bill excluded a large number of citizens. To get the New Deal through Congress, Franklin Roosevelt needed to appease the Southern arm of the Democratic Party. So he acquiesced when Congress blocked many nonwhites, particularly African-Americans, from accessing his newly created ladders of opportunity. Farm work, housekeeping and other jobs disproportionately staffed by African-Americans were omitted from programs like Social Security and unemployment insurance. Local Veterans Affairs centers and other entities loyal to Jim Crow did their parts as well, systematically denying nonwhite veterans access to the G.I. Bill. If those veterans got past the V.A., they still had to contend with the banks, which denied loan applications in nonwhite neighborhoods because the Federal Housing Administration refused to insure mortgages there. From 1934 to 1968, the official F.H.A. policy of redlining made homeownership virtually impossible in black communities.”

This is all true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL - did anyone read OP's post? It had two paragraphs from a NY Times opinion piece and one paragraph from a somewhat fringe Catholic book.

How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.

The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.

Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.

I'm one of the pp's you're referring to, and I guaruntee you I'm no "trumpkin". I'm a lifelong Democrat with blue-collar immigrant pro-Union parents. Last week's NYT magazine hit piece on the mortgage interest tax deduction was an appallingly slanted article going after middle-class families. I thought it was disgusting. And the same thing here, as if every action by a white middle-class family is due to racism. I don't consider the NYT an impartial news source any more.

I'm PP who suspects there are a sizeable number of Trumpkins (or now I am thinking maybe these people are Trumpkins in terms of mindset, if not conviction). OK so this thread isn't about the homeownership article, but it seems like any discussion of race makes you uncomfortable and I feel obligated to inquire a bit more.

PP is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/magazine/how-homeownership-became-the-engine-of-american-inequality.html

So the fact that homeownership is how most build their wealth and the additional fact that until a generation ago homeownership was much more difficult for a black person relative to a white person with the same means is some kind of reverse racism?

"But both in its design and its application, the G.I. Bill excluded a large number of citizens. To get the New Deal through Congress, Franklin Roosevelt needed to appease the Southern arm of the Democratic Party. So he acquiesced when Congress blocked many nonwhites, particularly African-Americans, from accessing his newly created ladders of opportunity. Farm work, housekeeping and other jobs disproportionately staffed by African-Americans were omitted from programs like Social Security and unemployment insurance. Local Veterans Affairs centers and other entities loyal to Jim Crow did their parts as well, systematically denying nonwhite veterans access to the G.I. Bill. If those veterans got past the V.A., they still had to contend with the banks, which denied loan applications in nonwhite neighborhoods because the Federal Housing Administration refused to insure mortgages there. From 1934 to 1968, the official F.H.A. policy of redlining made homeownership virtually impossible in black communities.”

This is all true.

Until very recently, there was a housing cooperative in South Arlington called "Carver Homes," that was established for AA veterans of World War II. When the last of the veterans and the widows died, the co-op was dissolved and the land sold for now high end townhouses called "Carver Place." The reason this co-op was established and the reason freedman's villages were scattered around Arlington was so that AAs would have a place to live. They were excluded from "white" neighborhoods because of extensive racial covenants that are now illegal but cannot be removed from the chain of title. Until the block busters of the 1950s and 1960s, AAs were excluded from many neighborhoods and were forced to live in shameful alley housing conditions.