Which schools in area send most to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford? GDS

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:TJ sends the most number and percentage of students to the top 25 national/research schools in the country not just in the D.C. area.

Source? Proof please. Your credibility is shaky now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:TJ sends the most number and percentage of students to the top 25 national/research schools in the country not just in the D.C. area.

Source? Proof please. Your credibility is shaky now.


TJ class of 2016 acceptances for ~ top 25 colleges:

University of Virginia 224
College of William and Mary 173
University of Michigan 61
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 53
Carnegie Mellon University 50
Georgia Institute of Technology 42
University of California, Berkeley 35
Cornell University 29
New York University 29
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 28
University of California, San Diego 20
University of Chicago 18
Duke University 17
Rice University 17
Washington University in St. Louis 17
University of California, Los Angeles 16
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 15
University of Pennsylvania 13
Yale University 13
Georgetown University 13
Columbia University 12
Princeton University 12
Brown University 12
University of Southern California 11
The University of Texas, Austin 11
Harvard (6), Dartmouth (10), Stanford (10), Caltech (5), Harvey-Mudd (5), Wellesley/Williams (5)

Total of 982 acceptances for above schools which may be missing few schools that are arguably in the top 25. Discount that by 70% due to some students receiving multiple acceptances from top 25 schools and we have 295. 295/450 = 65%. That is about 65% attending top 25 schools with another 25% attending schools just outside of top 25 such as Case Western, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, George Washington, Boston University, VaTech, UMCP, Penn State, Rensselaer, Rochester Institute of Technology, USC etc.

The 2016 TJ Senior destinations is not completely accurate since some students (not many but roughly 10 to 15) do not choose to or fail to participate in that survey. However, the TJ profile (applied/accepted) numbers come from the TJ student services office and they are reliable and accurate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.


Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224


1. Those are all acceptances, not where the graduates are actually going to college. As a result, there is a lot of double counting in there. If one smart TJ student is admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, then she is listed 4 times in your numbers.

2. Those numbers do not provide an apples-to-apples comparison with any private school numbers we have. For STA for example, the numbers I posted are just for the colleges where its graduates actually attended, so there is no double counting in STA's matriculation numbers. Comparing TJ acceptances to STA matriculations doesn't make much sense.

3. Thankfully, we have actual TJ matriculation numbers, so we can see exactly how many students went to each school. Those are the TJ matriculation numbers I posted above. To save you the trouble, here are the details: Harvard (6 attending), Yale (7), Princeton (6), Stanford (7). Great results, but very different from mere acceptances. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2016

I hope that helps provide factual context for our discussion.


I have a kid at TJ, so let's be clear that there is an apples and oranges thing going on. Lots of kids are also being accepted to Ivys and not going because there is no merit aid and they price out of need based but still can't afford it. .What would attendance numbers look like if all parents could pay fill freight? No one knows. But, there are definitely Ivy admits who go in state or one tier down due to finances. Also kids choosing places like the UCs and Georgia Tech over Ivy's because of engineering. TJ kids just aren't as affluent, across the board, as they are in private school. And they may be looking for different things in their education (like a strong engineering school instead of liberal arts).

Plus many kids who go to D.C. privates aren't in NOVA and eligible to apply to TJ. And again, many TJ kids cannot afford private high school. So you send your kid to the best school available.

Maybe it's time to just say that it's great that we have such amazing educational opportunities and so many kids do so well? In the DMV. A Sidwell kid and a TJ kid and a Blair kid are all likely to succeed at a high level academically. Good for them. Most of them are talented kids who work hard. My now TJ kid used to debate against Sidwell in MS. They were impressive kids. I know a couple of Blair kids, and they are also impressive. My kids TJ friends have some amazing talents. We should be proud of all of these kids. It's not a zero sum game.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled one upsmanship.
Anonymous
Because if this isn't the full measure of a school, what is?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's not a zero sum game.

For college admissions, which this thread is about, it's pretty close to "zero sum" given that acceptance rates have creeped down into the single digits, much lower than when I was in HS at TJ/Blair and very lucky to have been able to choose between two HPYS schools -- so I don't blame parents for treating it like a zero sum game.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.


Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224


1. Those are all acceptances, not where the graduates are actually going to college. As a result, there is a lot of double counting in there. If one smart TJ student is admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, then she is listed 4 times in your numbers.

2. Those numbers do not provide an apples-to-apples comparison with any private school numbers we have. For STA for example, the numbers I posted are just for the colleges where its graduates actually attended, so there is no double counting in STA's matriculation numbers. Comparing TJ acceptances to STA matriculations doesn't make much sense.

3. Thankfully, we have actual TJ matriculation numbers, so we can see exactly how many students went to each school. Those are the TJ matriculation numbers I posted above. To save you the trouble, here are the details: Harvard (6 attending), Yale (7), Princeton (6), Stanford (7). Great results, but very different from mere acceptances. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2016

I hope that helps provide factual context for our discussion.


I have a kid at TJ, so let's be clear that there is an apples and oranges thing going on. Lots of kids are also being accepted to Ivys and not going because there is no merit aid and they price out of need based but still can't afford it. .What would attendance numbers look like if all parents could pay fill freight? No one knows. But, there are definitely Ivy admits who go in state or one tier down due to finances. Also kids choosing places like the UCs and Georgia Tech over Ivy's because of engineering. TJ kids just aren't as affluent, across the board, as they are in private school. And they may be looking for different things in their education (like a strong engineering school instead of liberal arts).

Plus many kids who go to D.C. privates aren't in NOVA and eligible to apply to TJ. And again, many TJ kids cannot afford private high school. So you send your kid to the best school available.

Maybe it's time to just say that it's great that we have such amazing educational opportunities and so many kids do so well? In the DMV. A Sidwell kid and a TJ kid and a Blair kid are all likely to succeed at a high level academically. Good for them. Most of them are talented kids who work hard. My now TJ kid used to debate against Sidwell in MS. They were impressive kids. I know a couple of Blair kids, and they are also impressive. My kids TJ friends have some amazing talents. We should be proud of all of these kids. It's not a zero sum game.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled one upsmanship.


Except one can use "connections" to get a kid into one of the top privates but not for TJ/Blair. This may be a good thing for those in a position to use such connections but not so for those without such connections and it is better (more fair) in general to have selections for schools/jobs based on the merits and not on connections.

It is hypocritical to accept "us of connections" for top schools, top jobs etc. and then turn around and criticize (for example) large banks for using "connections" to gain competitive advantage, make large profits (may be unethical but NOT illegal) etc.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.


Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224




I have a degree from one of the universities. And? People need to relax.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not a zero sum game.

For college admissions, which this thread is about, it's pretty close to "zero sum" given that acceptance rates have creeped down into the single digits, much lower than when I was in HS at TJ/Blair and very lucky to have been able to choose between two HPYS schools -- so I don't blame parents for treating it like a zero sum game.


Do you really think tha Harvard says, I would Take Kid A from Sidwell. But I just took a TJ kid. So, nope. Reject? Yes, it's hyper competitive. And yes there are geographic limits. But kids at Sidwell and kids at TJ are very different in terms of all sorts of things. Interests, areas of focus, often race, public vs private. A TJ kid and a Sidwell kid are not interchangeable. They are both smart and talented. But the focus of the schools is different and the talents they foster are different. Holotic admissions means that top colleges should pull some of both. And often that the kids apply to different schools altogether. And the fact is, your kid stands the best chance of getting into HPY, etc. if they go to a school that is a good match for their interests and talents and where they thrive in the community and their talents can be put to good use. A kid who thrives at TJ and gets into Harvard based on college level engineering classes and playing the violin on a national level and an Intel finalist designation might not do nearly as well at Sidwell where there are fewer STEM opportunities. And vice versa. A school that isn't a good fit for your kid hurts them in college admissions, even if it is a brand name.
Anonymous
No data on other schools to compare. Your limited data + assumptions do not support your hypothesis. If you TJ boosters want to engage in one-upsmanship, you need to support your claims.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.


Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224


1. Those are all acceptances, not where the graduates are actually going to college. As a result, there is a lot of double counting in there. If one smart TJ student is admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, then she is listed 4 times in your numbers.

2. Those numbers do not provide an apples-to-apples comparison with any private school numbers we have. For STA for example, the numbers I posted are just for the colleges where its graduates actually attended, so there is no double counting in STA's matriculation numbers. Comparing TJ acceptances to STA matriculations doesn't make much sense.

3. Thankfully, we have actual TJ matriculation numbers, so we can see exactly how many students went to each school. Those are the TJ matriculation numbers I posted above. To save you the trouble, here are the details: Harvard (6 attending), Yale (7), Princeton (6), Stanford (7). Great results, but very different from mere acceptances. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2016

I hope that helps provide factual context for our discussion.


I have a kid at TJ, so let's be clear that there is an apples and oranges thing going on. Lots of kids are also being accepted to Ivys and not going because there is no merit aid and they price out of need based but still can't afford it. .What would attendance numbers look like if all parents could pay fill freight? No one knows. But, there are definitely Ivy admits who go in state or one tier down due to finances. Also kids choosing places like the UCs and Georgia Tech over Ivy's because of engineering. TJ kids just aren't as affluent, across the board, as they are in private school. And they may be looking for different things in their education (like a strong engineering school instead of liberal arts).

Plus many kids who go to D.C. privates aren't in NOVA and eligible to apply to TJ. And again, many TJ kids cannot afford private high school. So you send your kid to the best school available.

Maybe it's time to just say that it's great that we have such amazing educational opportunities and so many kids do so well? In the DMV. A Sidwell kid and a TJ kid and a Blair kid are all likely to succeed at a high level academically. Good for them. Most of them are talented kids who work hard. My now TJ kid used to debate against Sidwell in MS. They were impressive kids. I know a couple of Blair kids, and they are also impressive. My kids TJ friends have some amazing talents. We should be proud of all of these kids. It's not a zero sum game.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled one upsmanship.


+1

Many such kids do not even apply to Ivies and MIT because their parents know they cannot afford to send them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:14:10 again. TJ is a great school, but you diminish it when you exaggerate its successes so blatantly.


Not so blatant:

Class of 2016

Harvard about 5 or 6
Dartmouth about 9 or 10
Stanford about 9 or 10
Brown 12
Princeton 12
Columbia 12
Georgetown 13
Yale 13
UPenn 13
MIT 15
Duke 17
U of Chicago 18
Cornell University 29
UC Berkeley 35
University of Michigan 61
William & Mary 173
UVA 224


1. Those are all acceptances, not where the graduates are actually going to college. As a result, there is a lot of double counting in there. If one smart TJ student is admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, then she is listed 4 times in your numbers.

2. Those numbers do not provide an apples-to-apples comparison with any private school numbers we have. For STA for example, the numbers I posted are just for the colleges where its graduates actually attended, so there is no double counting in STA's matriculation numbers. Comparing TJ acceptances to STA matriculations doesn't make much sense.

3. Thankfully, we have actual TJ matriculation numbers, so we can see exactly how many students went to each school. Those are the TJ matriculation numbers I posted above. To save you the trouble, here are the details: Harvard (6 attending), Yale (7), Princeton (6), Stanford (7). Great results, but very different from mere acceptances. https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2016

I hope that helps provide factual context for our discussion.


I have a kid at TJ, so let's be clear that there is an apples and oranges thing going on. Lots of kids are also being accepted to Ivys and not going because there is no merit aid and they price out of need based but still can't afford it. .What would attendance numbers look like if all parents could pay fill freight? No one knows. But, there are definitely Ivy admits who go in state or one tier down due to finances. Also kids choosing places like the UCs and Georgia Tech over Ivy's because of engineering. TJ kids just aren't as affluent, across the board, as they are in private school. And they may be looking for different things in their education (like a strong engineering school instead of liberal arts).

Plus many kids who go to D.C. privates aren't in NOVA and eligible to apply to TJ. And again, many TJ kids cannot afford private high school. So you send your kid to the best school available.

Maybe it's time to just say that it's great that we have such amazing educational opportunities and so many kids do so well? In the DMV. A Sidwell kid and a TJ kid and a Blair kid are all likely to succeed at a high level academically. Good for them. Most of them are talented kids who work hard. My now TJ kid used to debate against Sidwell in MS. They were impressive kids. I know a couple of Blair kids, and they are also impressive. My kids TJ friends have some amazing talents. We should be proud of all of these kids. It's not a zero sum game.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled one upsmanship.


Except one can use "connections" to get a kid into one of the top privates but not for TJ/Blair. This may be a good thing for those in a position to use such connections but not so for those without such connections and it is better (more fair) in general to have selections for schools/jobs based on the merits and not on connections.

It is hypocritical to accept "us of connections" for top schools, top jobs etc. and then turn around and criticize (for example) large banks for using "connections" to gain competitive advantage, make large profits (may be unethical but NOT illegal) etc.


+1000.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Do you really think tha Harvard says, I would Take Kid A from Sidwell. But I just took a TJ kid. So, nope. Reject? Yes, it's hyper competitive. And yes there are geographic limits. But kids at Sidwell and kids at TJ are very different in terms of all sorts of things. Interests, areas of focus, often race, public vs private. A TJ kid and a Sidwell kid are not interchangeable. They are both smart and talented. But the focus of the schools is different and the talents they foster are different. Holotic admissions means that top colleges should pull some of both. And often that the kids apply to different schools altogether. And the fact is, your kid stands the best chance of getting into HPY, etc. if they go to a school that is a good match for their interests and talents and where they thrive in the community and their talents can be put to good use. A kid who thrives at TJ and gets into Harvard based on college level engineering classes and playing the violin on a national level and an Intel finalist designation might not do nearly as well at Sidwell where there are fewer STEM opportunities. And vice versa. A school that isn't a good fit for your kid hurts them in college admissions, even if it is a brand name.

Everything that you said after the first few lines may be true, but is completely irrelevant to the zero sum issue.

The point remains that there are only so many spots at HPYS to go around and way more students applying for them than ever. In this new college admissions environment, I empathize with those parents who care about whether they're getting sufficient ROI from either a magnet or Big 3 re: college. Because that's where I'll be in 12 years. Certainly there are some folks for whom college admissions is not an end goal. That's fine. But let's not denigrate those who care very much about it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: % ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES

1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 9.18%
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 4.51%
3 Sidwell Friends School 14.40%
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 15.79%
5 St. Albans School 14.21%
6 Maret School 10.42%
7 Georgetown Day School 9.54%
8 St. Anselm's School 5.22%
9 Holton-Arms School 7.09%
10 Potomac School 6.63%


https://www.lotusprep.com/best-high-schools-dc/




What % do you think is Wilson? That's still the best DCPS high school, yes?


No, Wilson does not belong on this list. Go around that area at 3:00 and you will see why.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:TJ sends the most number and percentage of students to the top 25 national/research schools in the country not just in the D.C. area.

Source? Proof please. Your credibility is shaky now.


TJ class of 2016 acceptances for ~ top 25 colleges:

University of Virginia 224
College of William and Mary 173
University of Michigan 61
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 53
Carnegie Mellon University 50
Georgia Institute of Technology 42
University of California, Berkeley 35
Cornell University 29
New York University 29
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 28
University of California, San Diego 20
University of Chicago 18
Duke University 17
Rice University 17
Washington University in St. Louis 17
University of California, Los Angeles 16
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 15
University of Pennsylvania 13
Yale University 13
Georgetown University 13
Columbia University 12
Princeton University 12
Brown University 12
University of Southern California 11
The University of Texas, Austin 11
Harvard (6), Dartmouth (10), Stanford (10), Caltech (5), Harvey-Mudd (5), Wellesley/Williams (5)

Total of 982 acceptances for above schools which may be missing few schools that are arguably in the top 25. Discount that by 70% due to some students receiving multiple acceptances from top 25 schools and we have 295. 295/450 = 65%. That is about 65% attending top 25 schools with another 25% attending schools just outside of top 25 such as Case Western, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, George Washington, Boston University, VaTech, UMCP, Penn State, Rensselaer, Rochester Institute of Technology, USC etc.

The 2016 TJ Senior destinations is not completely accurate since some students (not many but roughly 10 to 15) do not choose to or fail to participate in that survey. However, the TJ profile (applied/accepted) numbers come from the TJ student services office and they are reliable and accurate.


35 acceptances to Berkeley is impressive when some of the top area high schools have 1 or 0 acceptances.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 acceptances to Berkeley is impressive when some of the top area high schools have 1 or 0 acceptances.

What's your source?

Or are you just pimping TJ again? If so, give it up. You're reeking of desperation now.
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