Proximity Preference 0.5 mile for charters

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

Your address would have to be more than 0.5 miles away from your IB elementary school. Most of the slivers of the city with eligible addresses had their IB elementary schools closed for low enrollment/poor performance. This was mostly in W7 and W8.

[Anonymous]

This isn't going to have much of an effect on the PK-elementary schools at least in the neighborhoods I know, but what about middle and highschools liek basis and latin? Also this opens teh door for a real proximity preference in the future, which will just turn pockets of NE into real estate similar to NW. My house, close to lamb, would probably go up 50,000 grand over night. Goof for no one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

There are quite a few charters occupying or very close to DCPSes that have been closed. Students who used to attend those schools (I'm thinking of Mary Church Terrell School on Wheeler Road SE which is closed - students got redistricted to MLK ES, but there are several charters very close to the MCT building, for example). There were a lot of DCPS closed in 2008 and 2013. A lot of those kids ended up at charters in their neighborhoods, which are not as difficult to get into as charters in ward 4.

Also the Fort Dupont neighborhood (though Ward 7, not 8) is about a mile away from Anne Beers, it's elementary school. A new Rocketship will be opening in the neighborhood, so those kids will get preference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

I can't imagine it will have much of an effect in Brookland, where there are a lot of good charters. Most of us are within 1/2 mile to our elementary school since there are several in our neighborhood.

Correct.

that changes a lot. Barnard, Burce Monroe already so close to Petwroth and Park View and we are the ones clamoring to get into CMI.

But if you live under 0.5mi to your IB the planned proximity preference to any charter will not apply to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn't going to have much of an effect on the PK-elementary schools at least in the neighborhoods I know, but what about middle and highschools liek basis and latin? Also this opens teh door for a real proximity preference in the future, which will just turn pockets of NE into real estate similar to NW. My house, close to lamb, would probably go up 50,000 grand over night. Goof for no one.

Preference is for elementary kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Making it more complicated is going to benefit those who can navigate it best. I think this benefits the wealthy who can figure the system out and buy in specific locations to take advantage of it.

For example, there are going to be certain houses that are <.5 mi to a target HRCS and >.5mi from their DCPS. I could find those houses. I highly doubt those who are economically disadvantaged could.

but its up to the charter to evoke it or not. leading to much uncertainty. in that way, at least, you won't see housing prices affected

That's true in the short term. But if a place like LAMB decided to offer it, I think it would drive up prices in any areas that meet the two criteria. I'd certainly run the analysis if I were looking.

Offer it one year and not the next, which is their perogative. Housing prices need more stability that that to shoot up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

There are quite a few charters occupying or very close to DCPSes that have been closed. Students who used to attend those schools (I'm thinking of Mary Church Terrell School on Wheeler Road SE which is closed - students got redistricted to MLK ES, but there are several charters very close to the MCT building, for example). There were a lot of DCPS closed in 2008 and 2013. A lot of those kids ended up at charters in their neighborhoods, which are not as difficult to get into as charters in ward 4.

Also the Fort Dupont neighborhood (though Ward 7, not 8) is about a mile away from Anne Beers, it's elementary school. A new Rocketship will be opening in the neighborhood, so those kids will get preference.

Agree. I honestly don't know how I feel about the 0.5 mile number. It seems like if your designated school is 0.3 miles from your house but there's a charter literally across the street, the preference should apply. Given the requirement that the by-right school be more than half a mile away, it seems like the kid living across the street from the charter isn't going to get the preference, which seems silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't going to have much of an effect on the PK-elementary schools at least in the neighborhoods I know, but what about middle and highschools liek basis and latin? Also this opens teh door for a real proximity preference in the future, which will just turn pockets of NE into real estate similar to NW. My house, close to lamb, would probably go up 50,000 grand over night. Goof for no one.

Preference is for elementary kids

got it, thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

There are quite a few charters occupying or very close to DCPSes that have been closed. Students who used to attend those schools (I'm thinking of Mary Church Terrell School on Wheeler Road SE which is closed - students got redistricted to MLK ES, but there are several charters very close to the MCT building, for example). There were a lot of DCPS closed in 2008 and 2013. A lot of those kids ended up at charters in their neighborhoods, which are not as difficult to get into as charters in ward 4.

Also the Fort Dupont neighborhood (though Ward 7, not 8) is about a mile away from Anne Beers, it's elementary school. A new Rocketship will be opening in the neighborhood, so those kids will get preference.

Agree. I honestly don't know how I feel about the 0.5 mile number. It seems like if your designated school is 0.3 miles from your house but there's a charter literally across the street, the preference should apply. Given the requirement that the by-right school be more than half a mile away, it seems like the kid living across the street from the charter isn't going to get the preference, which seems silly.

The question the mayor is asking is "Is there a school you can walk to." She isn't asking what is the closest school to you, but is there a school close enough. If you IB isn't close enough ,(<.5), you can see if a charter is. if your IB is close enough, you are good to gop. I do think in a couple years, this will turn into a real proximity preference (just remove the second part about IB), which will be a bad thing for DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

There are quite a few charters occupying or very close to DCPSes that have been closed. Students who used to attend those schools (I'm thinking of Mary Church Terrell School on Wheeler Road SE which is closed - students got redistricted to MLK ES, but there are several charters very close to the MCT building, for example). There were a lot of DCPS closed in 2008 and 2013. A lot of those kids ended up at charters in their neighborhoods, which are not as difficult to get into as charters in ward 4.

Also the Fort Dupont neighborhood (though Ward 7, not 8) is about a mile away from Anne Beers, it's elementary school. A new Rocketship will be opening in the neighborhood, so those kids will get preference.

Agree. I honestly don't know how I feel about the 0.5 mile number. It seems like if your designated school is 0.3 miles from your house but there's a charter literally across the street, the preference should apply. Given the requirement that the by-right school be more than half a mile away, it seems like the kid living across the street from the charter isn't going to get the preference, which seems silly.

The question the mayor is asking is "Is there a school you can walk to." She isn't asking what is the closest school to you, but is there a school close enough. If you IB isn't close enough ,(<.5), you can see if a charter is. if your IB is close enough, you are good to gop. I do think in a couple years, this will turn into a real proximity preference (just remove the second part about IB), which will be a bad thing for DC.

I think the whole constantly-moving-goalposts thing is bad for DC overall. I think it contributes to the general state of anxiety that parents have surrounding school. I understand why Central Office felt that a lot of those closures were necessary, but good lord, was it disruptive for kids.

[Anonymous]

I've mentioned this before, but I was at a Ward 4 event back when Bowser was my councilmember, and she was touting the addition of Latin as a boon for the Ward.

Multiple parents spoke up saying that it wasn't that big a deal because their kids hadn't been able to lottery into the school.

It was very obvious that this was the first time she had given the lottery any thought at all, and she was visibly bothered that there was a bit of a backlash instead of everybody standing around talking about how great she is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've mentioned this before, but I was at a Ward 4 event back when Bowser was my councilmember, and she was touting the addition of Latin as a boon for the Ward.

Multiple parents spoke up saying that it wasn't that big a deal because their kids hadn't been able to lottery into the school.

It was very obvious that this was the first time she had given the lottery any thought at all, and she was visibly bothered that there was a bit of a backlash instead of everybody standing around talking about how great she is.

Interesting. I do think this is Bowser looking for a way to get started stripping away charter autonomy.

[Anonymous]

Are there any maps out there of locations that are more than 0.5 mile away from their by-rights neighborhood school? That would help me make up my mind about what I think about this.

Also, do people feel like this is the first step in a slide towards generalized neighborhood preference for charters (which I am opposed to) or a band-aid for a very specific problem (kids who are quite far from their neighborhood school, often due to school closures)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've mentioned this before, but I was at a Ward 4 event back when Bowser was my councilmember, and she was touting the addition of Latin as a boon for the Ward.

Multiple parents spoke up saying that it wasn't that big a deal because their kids hadn't been able to lottery into the school.

It was very obvious that this was the first time she had given the lottery any thought at all, and she was visibly bothered that there was a bit of a backlash instead of everybody standing around talking about how great she is.

Interesting. I do think this is Bowser looking for a way to get started stripping away charter autonomy.

No, she is looking to help kids without a walkable elementary school. Charters would still have the ability to offer the preference or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The IB schools must also be more than .5 mile away. I wonder how many students this applies to.

It applies to a lot of schools in Ward 8. I strongly suspect that's who it will mostly affect.

Not sure I get this. Can you explain?

There are quite a few charters occupying or very close to DCPSes that have been closed. Students who used to attend those schools (I'm thinking of Mary Church Terrell School on Wheeler Road SE which is closed - students got redistricted to MLK ES, but there are several charters very close to the MCT building, for example). There were a lot of DCPS closed in 2008 and 2013. A lot of those kids ended up at charters in their neighborhoods, which are not as difficult to get into as charters in ward 4.

Also the Fort Dupont neighborhood (though Ward 7, not 8) is about a mile away from Anne Beers, it's elementary school. A new Rocketship will be opening in the neighborhood, so those kids will get preference.

Agree. I honestly don't know how I feel about the 0.5 mile number. It seems like if your designated school is 0.3 miles from your house but there's a charter literally across the street, the preference should apply. Given the requirement that the by-right school be more than half a mile away, it seems like the kid living across the street from the charter isn't going to get the preference, which seems silly.

The question the mayor is asking is "Is there a school you can walk to." She isn't asking what is the closest school to you, but is there a school close enough. If you IB isn't close enough ,(<.5), you can see if a charter is. if your IB is close enough, you are good to gop. I do think in a couple years, this will turn into a real proximity preference (just remove the second part about IB), which will be a bad thing for DC.

I don't think so. This is a preference with very narrow reach. Kids without a walkable elementary now might have access to more schools.