Explain college sports recruitment to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

I agree with this. I'd say about 30 percent of my daughter's friends decided they want to play soccer in college, and none of them is good enough for D1 (they are not ECNL level players). Every last one of them will be playing in college. They are heading either to 1st tier (academic) SLACS with not very strong soccer teams or 2d tier DIII schools with a range of decent to not strong soccer teams.

Also, the stats quoted above re 7.2 going on to play in college don't give you a great picture of what the real numbers are, because a lot of girls opt to hang up the cleats after senior year of high school. They also don't take into account regional variations. This area is a soccer hotbed, and an average team around here will be able to play at a much higher level than the average team in a less well-developed soccer area. More kids who want to continue on from here will be able to than the national averages suggest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holton Sophomore (now a Junior)was recruited to Stanford for lacrosse. She is awesome at Field Hockey as well.

And with all the discussion re: field hockey, the original statement is a lie since NCAA coaches cannot talk to prospects until Summer before Senior year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

Is there a link to these stats? Also, you are leaving out of your figures the tens of thousands of high school aged kids who (1) play on US Club Soccer (not USYS) teams or (2) no longer play on any club team by senior year of HS but still playing HS soccer as seniors.

My own DD's HS team has kids in both of these additional categories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

Is there a link to these stats? Also, you are leaving out of your figures the tens of thousands of high school aged kids who (1) play on US Club Soccer (not USYS) teams or (2) no longer play on any club team by senior year of HS but still playing HS soccer as seniors.

My own DD's HS team has kids in both of these additional categories.

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/media_kit/ataglance/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

Is there a link to these stats? Also, you are leaving out of your figures the tens of thousands of high school aged kids who (1) play on US Club Soccer (not USYS) teams or (2) no longer play on any club team by senior year of HS but still playing HS soccer as seniors.

My own DD's HS team has kids in both of these additional categories.

If it makes you feel better you can guesstimate about 200 U.S. Club soccer teams including ECNL with roster spots of about 25 for four years. This would cause the 90,000 players swell by roughly 19,000.

HS does not need to be factored as it is not a scouting hotbed for colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

41,000 total college roster spots means about 10,000 roster spots for incoming freshmen (likely less if you subtract freshman roster spots that go to foreign based players/students).

That would mean a HS senior soccer player has about a 11% chance of continuing on to play soccer in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What an off the rails thread... college recruitment process question devolves into attacks on field hockey.

College recruitment is sooo sport specific that only in the most general of terms can it be discussed generically.

If you want to play college soccer, you most likely can. There are far more opportunities to do so irregardless of scholarships. A sport like field hockey? There are simply not as many programs available. While the amount of field hockey players is certainly less the smaller amount of schools offering the sport still limits ones choice of schools.

I have to disagree with the bolded statement above. Although there are more college soccer programs than field hockey programs, the number of US girls playing high school soccer is -- according to the NCAA website -- more than 6 times larger than the number of US girls playing high school field hockey. The NCAA website says that 9.7% of US high school field hockey players go on to play in college. Only 7.2% of US girls high school soccer players go on to play in college.

One reason the odds are lower for girls HS soccer players going on to play in college is that almost every girls college soccer program recruits/attracts foreign players. So if foreign students make up 10% of the college soccer roster spots, then the real number of spots available for US girls is smaller than it appears from just looking at the number of college programs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe US college field hockey attracts nearly the number of foreign players as US girls college soccer does.

I said if you want to play college soccer you most likely can. I did not say, if you want to play DI soccer you most likely can.

The percentages from the NCAA website that I cited were for all of DI, DII and DIII combined. If you look at the statistics provided by the NCAA the odss of playing D1 field hockey is 2.9% while the odds of playing D1 women's soccer is 2.4%. Odds of playing D3 field hockey is 5.7% and the odds of playing D3 womens soccer is 2.9%. Odds of playing D2 soccer is slightly higher than odds of playing D2 field hockey (1.0% to 1.2%). So it really is easier to play field hockey than soccer in college.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-probability-competing-college-athletics

Breakdown of US Youth Soccer's 3 million registered players:
18 to 19 - 3%
15 to 17 - 12%
10 to 14 - 48%
Under 10 - 37%
85% are under the age of 14
52/48 male/female ratio

This leaves about 90,000 kids still playing soccer as seniors in HS.

There are 41,000 college roster spots available.

41,000 total college roster spots means about 10,000 roster spots for incoming freshmen (likely less if you subtract freshman roster spots that go to foreign based players/students).

That would mean a HS senior soccer player has about a 11% chance of continuing on to play soccer in college.

True, but there is also a lot of churn in collegiate sports. More players than just seniors leave that need to be replaced. While your point is taken most kids that wish to play in college can find a team to play on.

Remember, that not all 90-110k kids graduating HS even want to play in college.

[Anonymous]

My DC is starting to hear from colleges, but many are Div III. That's not a bad thing, but unfortunately many are just so expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is starting to hear from colleges, but many are Div III. That's not a bad thing, but unfortunately many are just so expensive.

Of course it's a bad thing. You pour years of time and money into your kid, and he's just getting D-III interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is starting to hear from colleges, but many are Div III. That's not a bad thing, but unfortunately many are just so expensive.

Of course it's a bad thing. You pour years of time and money into your kid, and he's just getting D-III interest.

No. I don't think it's a bad thing. I think he could participate (swim) in a higher division, but we just aren't sure how to go about it. His concern is that he'd be the fastest on the team and he doesn't necessarily want that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holton Sophomore (now a Junior)was recruited to Stanford for lacrosse. She is awesome at Field Hockey as well.

And with all the discussion re: field hockey, the original statement is a lie since NCAA coaches cannot talk to prospects until Summer before Senior year.

Not exactly true...they can talk to their club team coach, they can also have free conversation with them while on campus, and/or at a camp. There are ways to do it and the most experienced coaches know exactly how to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is starting to hear from colleges, but many are Div III. That's not a bad thing, but unfortunately many are just so expensive.

Of course it's a bad thing. You pour years of time and money into your kid, and he's just getting D-III interest.

It is not a bad thing.

1. There should have been zero expectation on ROI for soccer.
2. While scholarships may not be there, for many kids soccer may open the doors to some schools that they might never have considered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holton Sophomore (now a Junior)was recruited to Stanford for lacrosse. She is awesome at Field Hockey as well.

And with all the discussion re: field hockey, the original statement is a lie since NCAA coaches cannot talk to prospects until Summer before Senior year.

Not exactly true...they can talk to their club team coach, they can also have free conversation with them while on campus, and/or at a camp. There are ways to do it and the most experienced coaches know exactly how to do so.

Kids can also call coaches prior to junior year. The rules permit the coach to answer the call and talk to the kid. The coach just can't return the call if he misses it in that circumstance. Recruiting of top prospects starts well before junior year in most sports.