"Obama is the founder of ISIS"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way, Trump's line that Obama created ISIS exactly echoes a myth propagated by Russian state-controlled media and bloggers.

Yup. Of course Russian propaganda and US neoisolationist blogging have a lot of in common, so he might not have gotten it directly from the Russians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, but. . .

He asked the pro-Christian President to step down, over the churches begging us not to get involved to avoid a genocide, applauded the "Arab Spring," called for democracy and freedom there, backed the Free Syria Army rebels, bombed the country, sent special forces in to take the government down, and now we blame ISIS and Al Nusra moving in and taking over on Bush.

Categorizing Assad as "pro-Christian" is questionable, and it is likely that had Assad stepped down, and a compromise been reached between the opposition and pro govt moderates, Syrian Christians would be far better off.

Churches have had different positions, I certainly don't think there is a unanimous church position on Syrian intervention.

Yes, the Arab Spring originally was driven in large part by liberals (small l) who really did want to move on to democratization. In Tunisia it has largely led to the results arab spring optimists expected. In Egypt and Bahrain, it meant a restoration of the status quo. In Yemen, Libya and Syria it led to civil war, though in Libya at least it seems very likely most people will end up much better off.

Yes, few US govts oppose democracy and freedom.

Our backing for the FSA has in fact been fairly limited.

Our bombing of Syria has been aimed at ISIS, not at the Syrian state. Similarly for our special forces.

While ISIS has been strong in Syria, they emerged out of AQ in Iraq, which developed as a result of the US invasion (and how the occupation was managed(.

Wut? The same Libya that descended into utter chaos, where ISIS has a foothold and a scary movie-shooting platform?

U crazy.

Its not utter chaos. The Government of National Accord is in control in Tripoli and has almost destroyed ISIS in the one large town they hald, Sirte. Tobruk is under control of a rival govt, but it is not actively at war with the GNA, and may yet reach agreement with them. In fact from what I can gather day to day life in Libya is not all that bad (most of the refugees coming via Libya are not Libyans, but from other countries passing through Libya) and yes, maybe better than under Qaddafi.

It does not seem you actually follow the news from Libya, just ISIS videos I guess.

[Anonymous]

How does the right complain about Obama and the Russia reset, but ignore Trump's assertion that Nato needs to be weakneed?

[Anonymous]

He meant it *literally*- he says so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He meant it *literally*- he says so.

I am skeptical he knows what "literally" means.

[Anonymous]

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/

[Anonymous]

Dude, I posted the whole quote a page ago!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He meant it *literally*- he says so.

I am skeptical he knows what "literally" means.

It means he literally saw a video about it last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does the right complain about Obama and the Russia reset, but ignore Trump's assertion that Nato needs to be weakneed?

Remember Obama's hot mic moment? I think you are all looking at the wrong guy