Did NYT Incite Violence Towards Police
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
The PP is simply pointing out a fact. Dyson's article - poorly and simplistically written - makes the same blanket generalization throughout this piece. not any different from someone blasting all BLM supporters for "being the same" Dyson wants to incite racial hatred. Any good writer would use harder stats INSTEAD of repetition to prove a point. an emotional appeal |
Anonymous
I think Dyson's article wasn't a particularly well written or conceptualized article, but I do not for a moment think that his intent was to incite racial hatred. I think he was expressing deep frustration and deep anger, and attempting to post challenges to white America to take responsibility for what must at the very least feel like willful ignorance of the pain and suffering that many African Americans feel. |
Anonymous
|
I think we need a Truth and Justice Commission to deal with our nation's history of race relations, starting with slavery. There should be some sort of official apology for slavery and there should be some sort of reparations.
How this could take place, I don't know, but if there's a will... Without dealing with the roots of racial inequality in our country, we can't eliminate it. Beliefs come from somewhere. The anger expressed in the NYT article is justified, but obviously, anger alone does not accomplish anything. Justice will not come in our country until the white majority relinquishes some of its power over blacks. That's a tall order, but necessary if we are to sit down together and start to clear a path toward a future where all minorities are treated fairly and equally by each other. It's possible if we imagine it. |
Anonymous
In the 60s, Martin Luther King Jr. was labeled a communist and troublemaker for wanting some of the same things that Dyson speaks of. The more things change, the more they stay the same. |
Anonymous
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. This comment is from MLK's 1963 'I Have A Dream Speech.' Deemed a communist for his words. 53 years ago and still there is this dysfunctional relationship between African Americans and whites in the 21st century. Generation after generation and the hate continues to be passed on. Sad, indeed. |
Anonymous
The Chinese were paid for their labor on the railroad. They were not slaves, but los wage workers. The interned Japanese were given reparations. Coal Miners in Appalachia are laid to work and safety laws created for better work conditions. You lost me with white sweat shop descendants. |
Anonymous
DP I think Blacks want to be policed at the same level you and your white kids are policed. If a police officer smells marijuana on your white kid and all he does is give him a stern talk and then call the parents to pick him up, I would expect the police tondo the same for the Black kid. Unfortunately, the Black Kid is more likely to get handcuffed, booked, arraigned, enter guilty plea for possession and have a criminal record that follows him for life. It's incidences like this that shows the gap between white and blacks criminal justice interactions |
Anonymous
BLM is a nonviolent movement that has some people who do not drink all the NV kool-aid. The civil rights movement involving MLK Jr was also a NV movement in which some members did not adhere to the NB Koolaid. Like then, as with now, many many people lambasted MLK and the civil rights movement as white hate. The accused The leaders of the civil rights movement of inciting violence. The J Edgar investigated the CR groups as subversive and anti American. Today we are hearing the same accusations about BLM. As with the CRG of the 50s and 60s, BLM is only saying treat Blacks fairly and stop killing them under the guise of law. As it was then, as it is now there are people who think Blaxk people Should just accept the injustices and move on. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Today instead of the Bull Connors we have the officers of Castille, Rodney King, John ,Crawford, Eric Garner, and Tamir Rice. Today, we also have the descendants of those white people justifying the acts of the Bull Connors defending the likes of such actions in 2016. Different name, different time, but the same damn thang. |
Anonymous
And when you examine HOW King crafted his speeches, he used eloquent language, included multiple allusions, examined patterns, and focused on productive measures. Dyson's piece wasn't constructive in the least bit. I'm not saying that the truth be covered up. But you don't throw punches at "white America" again and again and hope that people will listen. He turned away quite a few, I imagine. Furthermore, his ending didn't strengthen his cause. It simply empowered whites.
really? I doubt he spent much time on this. Nevertheless, I CAN understand (and appreciate) that this HAD to be a timely piece. However, most well-written pieces begin as rants and are later reshaped in order to engage a specific audience member. He engaged his black audience. Was that his intent? Or did he mean to teach white America a lesson? If it's the former, then yes, he meant to incite anger b/c his piece certainly wan't peaceful, nor was it conducive to constructive discussions. White America either tuned out or got angry. |
Anonymous
|
Anonymous
You seem completely unable to come to terms that Dyson's article was explicitly racist, and racist only in ways that extremely comfortable whites in power tend to indulge when coming from the mouths of other, slightly less comfortable blacks with the right credentials. The Times would never print an article from a white professor at a second-tier university opining upon the pathology in "Black America" and openly expressing loathing for the failures of "Black America" - of which there are many. As they say, "no justice, no peace." Until people like Tyon and publications like the Times are prepared to remove their privileged heads from their asses and stop their own racism, we will continue down the same path. Privileged blacks have it far better off than unprivileged whites in this country, and they won't be slapped around by some alliance of BLM sympathizers and rich liberals. |
Anonymous
And I'll bet you a year's salary that an underprivileged white has a better chance of survival being stopped at night by a cop than a privileged black person. I would love to see Clarence Thomas stand in Potomac and try and flag a cab at 2am. Even Oprah Winfrey who is LOADED has experienced her share. |
Anonymous
| I'm black and thought Dyson's article was tone-deaf and just ineffective. I assume he was trying to reach white people? But the piece was designed to make them defensive. It was just bad writing. I don't think it incited violence, but it dramatically lowered by opinion of Dyson. He really squandered an opportunity when a lot of white people were listening and he says, Whiteness is Blindness. Um, okay. Not helpful, Dyson. |
Anonymous
| Honestly, rather than ask the question of whether this article incited violence (it did not), why not ask what incited this article? THAT is much more important. And relevant. |
Anonymous
The anger may be heartfelt but it has no place in the Times. I would love to see the Times devote a small fraction of the attention that it devotes to the police shootings to the crime regularly committed by black males against others, black and white. |