How did your child do on the ERBs?

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Anonymous wrote:Do some of the independents design curriculum around this test? Just curious.

No. Good teachers don't have to teach to the test. The first thing to know is that the ERB given in third and fourth grade is completely different than the one given in fifth and sixth grade. The material tested is different and so is the format, so you should not compare fourth grade test results with fifth or sixth. Third and fourth will be similar and then fifth and sixth.

PP here again. The ERB is an incredibly flawed test. Don't be surprised if the stanines change every year.

It is my understanding that the ONLY way to for there to be any true value to the ERB is if schools provide each child's stanine and also the ranking vis a vis other independant schools as this conveys two very important "need to knows" :

1) Is there a correlation between my child's FSIQ on the WIPPSI or WISC and their stanine? There should be. If the two diverge too much, this reflects poorly on the curriculum of the chosen private. Yes, the ERB folks have scales and charts for 100,000's of kids in private school that take this test every year all across the country. The schools pay for special reports and this generates A LOT of data...not all of it shared, BTW. Point is: where your child is on the Bell curve for IQ should match up to where they are on Bell Curve in Independant school ERB.



2) the value of the ERB is enhanced by regular "snapshots" every few years, not just one test in time. Since the statistical purpose of a stanine is to take data and translate it into a stat than can be compared across groups and over time, if you aren't given stanines, it is impossible to track this ( destroys value of the test) at least for the parents who are left with no information that they can use.

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Anonymous wrote:Do some of the independents design curriculum around this test? Just curious.

Point is: where your child is on the Bell curve for IQ should match up to where they are on Bell Curve in Independant school ERB.

Since the IQ test percentiles are based on the general population, wouldn't you look for a correlation between the Bell Curve for the General Population on the ERB, not the Independent schools?

Though I've worked with some really bright kids who who think in non-standard ways...and they may score in the 99th% on IQ tests, but not on ERBs.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some of the independents design curriculum around this test? Just curious.

Point is: where your child is on the Bell curve for IQ should match up to where they are on Bell Curve in Independant school ERB.

Since the IQ test percentiles are based on the general population, wouldn't you look for a correlation between the Bell Curve for the General Population on the ERB, not the Independent schools?

Though I've worked with some really bright kids who who think in non-standard ways...and they may score in the 99th% on IQ tests, but not on ERBs.

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It is my understanding that it is mostly private and suburban public schools that take the ERB. Regardless, if a kids IQ is top 10%, the ERB stanine should be same.

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My understanding is that the ERB is very different from an IQ test. The ERB tests for achievement--what you know. So if the school hasn't taught basic geometry, your kid wouldn't do well on that part of the ERB, and would have a lower overall score.

Whereas the IQ tests working memory, executive function, spatial and other types of reasoning abilities.

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My experience with DS, now in high school, was that the ERBs tracked well with his academic achievement, which tracked reasonably well with his IQ scores. So on IQ he was very high overall, on ERBs he was high on reasoning, pretty high on reading and math, and abysmal on mechanics and usage in writing (which is always true in real life). Other kids did fine on the mechanics stuff, so I know it was a DS-specific issue, not the school's fault.

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the ERB is very different from an IQ test. The ERB tests for achievement--what you know. So if the school hasn't taught basic geometry, your kid wouldn't do well on that part of the ERB, and would have a lower overall score.

Whereas the IQ tests working memory, executive function, spatial and other types of reasoning abilities.

Yes, two different measures, but the point is that the ERB collects this data and over decades of testing correlates it. If you google:

Stanine, Bell Curve, ERB and IQ you will get these bell curves which the ERB has prepared that list IQ/Stanine on ERB and 5 ile

you will see it spelled out. So, if IQ is in top 10% , but is in stanine 5 when compared to other independent school then something is wrong with the curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:My experience with DS, now in high school, was that the ERBs tracked well with his academic achievement, which tracked reasonably well with his IQ scores. So on IQ he was very high overall, on ERBs he was high on reasoning, pretty high on reading and math, and abysmal on mechanics and usage in writing (which is always true in real life). Other kids did fine on the mechanics stuff, so I know it was a DS-specific issue, not the school's fault.

This describes my DD, also. She scored high in all areas except writing mechanics (basically grammar, usage and spelling), and that tracks with her academic performance.