ok to be a conservative Episcopalian?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

Actually the "worldwide" community of Anglicans who opposed gay marriage was mostly the churches in developing countries, especially Africa. Much as I respect 3rd world perspectives on many issues, gay rights isn't one of them.

Jesus never spoke about homosexuality let alone gay marriage. Paul did, but Paul wasn't Jesus. Not that I'm gay, but I do think it's time to recognize LGBT marriages.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

Modern people know much more that the 2,000 year old church. Just 500-600 years ago, the church was burning people at the stake for heresy and saying things like the earth revovled around the sun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

Modern people know much more that the 2,000 year old church. Just 500-600 years ago, the church was burning people at the stake for heresy and saying things like the earth revovled around the sun.

You are absolutely right that our modern understanding of the world around us should drive our decision making, but please put this in perspective. 15 years ago, no country in the world had legalized gay marriage. Until two year, gay marriage was illegal in most states, and it's only been legal on a national level for less than a year. It is only in the last couple years that a handful of mainline Protestant churches have blessed same sex marriages. Obama was against gay marriage until 2012; Hillary opposed it in the 2008 election. For thousands of years, both people of faith and non-faith defined marriage as between a man and woman. You can't expect every person to suddenly be on-board with gay marriage after thousands of years of history that did not include that concept, and those people are not bigots because they are slow to evolve on the issue.

Was Obama a bigot until 2008? Was every Episcopalian a bigot until 2012? Of course not. So, in 2016, is every person not comfortable with the new concept of gay marriage a bigot as well? In my opinion, no.
- Denmark legal

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Sorry about the typo...thought I deleted that thing about Denmark lol.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

Modern people know much more that the 2,000 year old church. Just 500-600 years ago, the church was burning people at the stake for heresy and saying things like the earth revovled around the sun.

You are absolutely right that our modern understanding of the world around us should drive our decision making, but please put this in perspective. 15 years ago, no country in the world had legalized gay marriage. Until two year, gay marriage was illegal in most states, and it's only been legal on a national level for less than a year. It is only in the last couple years that a handful of mainline Protestant churches have blessed same sex marriages. Obama was against gay marriage until 2012; Hillary opposed it in the 2008 election. For thousands of years, both people of faith and non-faith defined marriage as between a man and woman. You can't expect every person to suddenly be on-board with gay marriage after thousands of years of history that did not include that concept, and those people are not bigots because they are slow to evolve on the issue.

Was Obama a bigot until 2008? Was every Episcopalian a bigot until 2012? Of course not. So, in 2016, is every person not comfortable with the new concept of gay marriage a bigot as well? In my opinion, no.

Are you suggesting that the people currently against gay marriage will be OK with it in a few years - they're just slower at accepting change than others?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

The Anglican/Episcopal church has only been around since Henry VIII. You're the one who is hilarious....

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

Actually the "worldwide" community of Anglicans who opposed gay marriage was mostly the churches in developing countries, especially Africa. Much as I respect 3rd world perspectives on many issues, gay rights isn't one of them.

Jesus never spoke about homosexuality let alone gay marriage. Paul did, but Paul wasn't Jesus. Not that I'm gay, but I do think it's time to recognize LGBT marriages.

Wrong again. Read and learn before posting. The Primates voted. The Archbishop of Canterbury. White men in robes. Get it?

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See? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.


Schori? She got fired over bankrupting the Episcopal Church. Her career is over.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I spent years in TEC here in DC, but I feel that conservative viewpoints are increasingly unwelcome and not tolerated. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives still around, but they generally keep a very low profile, whereas the liberal points of view get the megaphone and focus.

Take gay marriage for example. Officially, the church allows each individual church/priest to make their own decision on whether or not to officiate a same-sex marriage, but my experience is that not being onboard with gay marriage would be seriously frowned upon at the DC churches. If I had told people at my church that I didn't agree with gay marriage, I feel like many people would have viewed as an intolerant bigot. But, as you surely know, this has caused half of the US Episcopal churches to break off from TEC.

Perhaps it's the bigots who broke away and the TEC, though smaller, is better for getting rid of the bigots. Unless size is more important than being accepting of other humans.

Well those "bigots" won big because TEC/ ECUSA has been officially suspended and disciplined by the worldwide Anglican community (85 million strong) vs. only 1.5 million Episcopalians left in the USA. Decisions do have consequences and not everyone thinks those that left TEC are "bigots". https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/. 85 million people just might have something to say about the matter.

She doesn't care. She got what she wants and doesn't care how much it's hurt the church.

Some people ( and churches) are willing to give up worldly goods and power for the sake or doing what's right.

You think you know better than 2000 years of the church? LOL!!! Hilarious.

The Anglican/Episcopal church has only been around since Henry VIII. You're the one who is hilarious....

I'm missing both of your points - other than the hurling of insults.

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Wrong again. Read and learn before posting. The Primates voted. The Archbishop of Canterbury. White men in robes. Get it?

What's inherently wrong with white men in robes? Serious question.

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Jesus never spoke about homosexuality let alone gay marriage. Paul did, but Paul wasn't Jesus. Not that I'm gay, but I do think it's time to recognize LGBT marriages.

Wrong again. Read and learn before posting. The Primates voted. The Archbishop of Canterbury. White men in robes. Get it?

Yikes. Let me help you. Here's the point. In every culture, people interpret laws and religion in light of their own values. But for somebody who goes directly to Jesus' words, the ban on homosexuality isn't a foregone conclusion.

My white man in a robe (Episcopal priest) is actually gay himself. There are many in the DC area.