Early start: How do I prep my child 4 college admissions re: extracurricular projects, initiatives,

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Moving to Iowa and signing up for football worked wonders for my kid. Had we stayed in DC, he wouldn't have gotten even a glance from his current college.


I want to hear the rest of this story!

Lol... On travel for work but stay tuned and I will share tonite when I'm back at a keyboard!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny the number of posters saying "relax!" or acting as though OP is being silly. The same posters have very likely been prepping their kids since birth for AAP and TJ!

Anyway to answer your question OP, I started when my child was in 4th grade by picking an organization we as a family could volunteer at and regularly volunteering. My goal is for my child to one day be more involved in a higher level of volunteering there on her own. This is organization we are committed to and she enjoys. She also has learned a lot of other great skills that will transfer into the real world - dealing with diverse groups of people, time management, etc.

Learning a foreign language in after school club - that's going so so - just started really this year

Plays sports - but nothing very competitive - hoping that this year my child will pick one and stick with it more. Planning to making my child pick in the Spring.

Scouts - my child is involved and has been steadily earning badges

Church-participates in youth group

4H - found out about this through a neighbor - Fairfax county has several 4H clubs, just started this year. They are smaller and they offer more of a chance for leadership.



PP. How old is your child now?


My child is 13 now. Also, to be clear, we are not looking at a path to Harvard, Yale, etc. To be more honest, when she was younger, yes, we were those parents but over the years we realized that wasn't going to happen.
Now, we are just hoping for admission to a state university in VA and not even W&M or UVA but more like JMU, George Mason, Christopher Newport. Yes, we are doing all this just to get into a basic state school. We saw some of our friends and neighbor's kids who had top grades, top scores who were not getting admitted to even those schools not to mention not getting into uva, Harvard, etc. We can not afford out of state school and my kid is not going to have the top grades and top scores. She does well in school - some As, mostly Bs, luckily nothing lower and she doesn't do well at all on standard tests. I forgot to mention, that yes, we have already started prepping for PSAT and SATs and ACT but are not intense about it at this point.
My Dh and I attended basic state universities and did well in our careers BUT that was over 20 years ago and it was just easier back then.
Those whose kids are older and more familiar might have additional insights.


It is not as dire as has been advertised. It is competitive, but not as dire. My DC is a freshman in college and by and large the ones we thought would go to the likes of W&M and UVA did and the rest (who stayed n state)are interspersed between the various in state colleges. We are in McLean HS so I have those stats from last year (2015) - remember the GPA is weighted and is after senrio year (students tend to get a boost senior year). The GPA and SAT scores are at the 50th percentile for those who were accepted. The class was just under 500 students.

Applied/Accepted/Attended. Weighted GPA and SAT (1600)
UVA. 134/50/31 4.20. 1417
W&M. 94/47/18. 4.12. 1420
Virginia Tech. 160/101/40. 3.99. 1351
JMU. 147/107/29. 3.78. 1279
George Mason 152/115/29. 3.64. `1260
CNU 56/38/9. 3.57 1226
Mary Washington 56/52/7. 3.54 1226
VCU. 113/98/24. 3.45. 1208


JMU. 147/107/29. 3.78 1279
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny the number of posters saying "relax!" or acting as though OP is being silly. The same posters have very likely been prepping their kids since birth for AAP and TJ!

Anyway to answer your question OP, I started when my child was in 4th grade by picking an organization we as a family could volunteer at and regularly volunteering. My goal is for my child to one day be more involved in a higher level of volunteering there on her own. This is organization we are committed to and she enjoys. She also has learned a lot of other great skills that will transfer into the real world - dealing with diverse groups of people, time management, etc.

Learning a foreign language in after school club - that's going so so - just started really this year

Plays sports - but nothing very competitive - hoping that this year my child will pick one and stick with it more. Planning to making my child pick in the Spring.

Scouts - my child is involved and has been steadily earning badges

Church-participates in youth group

4H - found out about this through a neighbor - Fairfax county has several 4H clubs, just started this year. They are smaller and they offer more of a chance for leadership.



Uh, no. My DS is a senior at a regular NoVA high school (not TJ), where he takes a combination of regular, honors, and AP classes. He takes no advanced math or science classes. His ACT score is 30, uw GPA about 3.7. He's been accepted at several small liberal arts schools (top 50), where he has been offered enough merit aid to bring the cost below what UVA or W&M would cost us. His activities are: volunteering 2 afternoons a week at the same organization for 4 years (doing something that is really meaningful to him), high school student council, and a club sport that practices 1x per week, plus 1 weekend game. Starting senior year, he has a part-time job at a fast food restaurant, 5-10 hours/week, and so has cut his volunteering to one day/week. He took a foreign language for 6 years in school, no outside enrichment classes in anything.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Moving to Iowa and signing up for football worked wonders for my kid. Had we stayed in DC, he wouldn't have gotten even a glance from his current college.


I want to hear the rest of this story!

Lol... On travel for work but stay tuned and I will share tonite when I'm back at a keyboard!

We moved to Iowa at the end of DC's freshman year. He attended one of the DCUM approved "big" schools. He struggled a bit academically (well, a lot) freshman year so his grades were rather poor. His small private HS in Iowa was much easier, he managed to pull almost straight A's for the last 3 years. He really wasn't a sporty kid but he is a big kid. He decided to play football as a way to make friends. He took to football like a fish to water. For the next 3 years he played both sides of the ball. Apparently, huge kids are hard to find and huge kids that can play both sides of the ball on the line with good grades and a decent ACT score are even harder to find in the world of D3 football. So when college time rolled around, he was pursued by several D3 coaches (yes, I know D3 does not carry academic scholarships, but they do recruit).

DS was clear that he wanted a SLAC, he sorted through various admission with merit aid offers from several top SLACs. He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school. Carleton does not offer merit aid, but they were able to make the total out of pocket cost work. Oddly enough, 4 boys that he hung around with at his DC school were all turned down by Carleton.

Had we stayed in DC, he would be another face in the crowd... a kid with decent grades from a world class HS with EC's, leadership and AP's out the wazoo. But his school was so small the sports were no-cut so after football he wrestled, his friends played baseball so he joined the team. No one wanted to go to HOBY so he told the guidance counselor that he would. He literally got a chance to do EVERYTHING because his school was small, everyone in his class wanted to to to Iowa or Iowa State, and they were practically guaranteed admission, so the other kids didn't really put any effort into EC's, leadership or even prep for the ACT. At the end of the day his profile was a well-rounded kid from a no-name HS in the middle of nowhere, who was good at playing a hard to find position on the football team who also took advantage of every chance he had for advanced coursework, lettered in 3 varsity sports, academic decathlon, volunteered, chaired the tech team, went to HOBY, pulled good grades for 10th, 11th and 12th and an ACT of 30. He interviewed like a boss and had a great essay. It sounds like he was crammed into a hectic schedule but he wasn't. Moving to Iowa and playing football was the deciding factor in him getting into several great colleges that have NEVER taken a kid from his HS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DC is currently a freshman at a top 10 engineering school. He did not do any of those engineering camps. He did scout camp and a very inexperience games camp in Arlington where he played a game similar to dungeons and dragons all day everyday for four weeks. He was in heaven. His ECs were scouts (Eagle), orchestra (all four years of HS), participation in our congregation's youth group and he held a leadership position in the regional youth group from our denomination his senior year. In two summers, he participated in volunteering internships with non-profits in the area. One was working at a thrift store run by a non-profit (he was the only volunteer there that was not court mandated ). The other was helping out an organizations backpack and school supply campaign. Apart from orchestra, he had no other participation in sports or other school related activity. He did not save the world or cure cancer.


totally OT I know, but my son would totally love a D&D-ish games camp- do you happen to remember what it was called or where in Arlington it was located?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school.


Go Knights!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:DC is currently a freshman at a top 10 engineering school. He did not do any of those engineering camps. He did scout camp and a very inexperience games camp in Arlington where he played a game similar to dungeons and dragons all day everyday for four weeks. He was in heaven. His ECs were scouts (Eagle), orchestra (all four years of HS), participation in our congregation's youth group and he held a leadership position in the regional youth group from our denomination his senior year. In two summers, he participated in volunteering internships with non-profits in the area. One was working at a thrift store run by a non-profit (he was the only volunteer there that was not court mandated ). The other was helping out an organizations backpack and school supply campaign. Apart from orchestra, he had no other participation in sports or other school related activity. He did not save the world or cure cancer.


totally OT I know, but my son would totally love a D&D-ish games camp- do you happen to remember what it was called or where in Arlington it was located?


It is called Kidrealm and it is in one of the elementary schools. It switched elementary schools when DC was there because the schools were under construction, so I don't know where it is now. https://www.kidrealm.com/ Here is the website.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Moving to Iowa and signing up for football worked wonders for my kid. Had we stayed in DC, he wouldn't have gotten even a glance from his current college.


I want to hear the rest of this story!

Lol... On travel for work but stay tuned and I will share tonite when I'm back at a keyboard!

We moved to Iowa at the end of DC's freshman year. He attended one of the DCUM approved "big" schools. He struggled a bit academically (well, a lot) freshman year so his grades were rather poor. His small private HS in Iowa was much easier, he managed to pull almost straight A's for the last 3 years. He really wasn't a sporty kid but he is a big kid. He decided to play football as a way to make friends. He took to football like a fish to water. For the next 3 years he played both sides of the ball. Apparently, huge kids are hard to find and huge kids that can play both sides of the ball on the line with good grades and a decent ACT score are even harder to find in the world of D3 football. So when college time rolled around, he was pursued by several D3 coaches (yes, I know D3 does not carry academic scholarships, but they do recruit).

DS was clear that he wanted a SLAC, he sorted through various admission with merit aid offers from several top SLACs. He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school. Carleton does not offer merit aid, but they were able to make the total out of pocket cost work. Oddly enough, 4 boys that he hung around with at his DC school were all turned down by Carleton.

Had we stayed in DC, he would be another face in the crowd... a kid with decent grades from a world class HS with EC's, leadership and AP's out the wazoo. But his school was so small the sports were no-cut so after football he wrestled, his friends played baseball so he joined the team. No one wanted to go to HOBY so he told the guidance counselor that he would. He literally got a chance to do EVERYTHING because his school was small, everyone in his class wanted to to to Iowa or Iowa State, and they were practically guaranteed admission, so the other kids didn't really put any effort into EC's, leadership or even prep for the ACT. At the end of the day his profile was a well-rounded kid from a no-name HS in the middle of nowhere, who was good at playing a hard to find position on the football team who also took advantage of every chance he had for advanced coursework, lettered in 3 varsity sports, academic decathlon, volunteered, chaired the tech team, went to HOBY, pulled good grades for 10th, 11th and 12th and an ACT of 30. He interviewed like a boss and had a great essay. It sounds like he was crammed into a hectic schedule but he wasn't. Moving to Iowa and playing football was the deciding factor in him getting into several great colleges that have NEVER taken a kid from his HS.


Congrats to him. Unfortunately, moving to Iowa is not for everyone. I grew up in rural White-landia and have no desire to return. Although looking at National Merit cut scores did make me contemplate West Virginia for a millisecond.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Look, OP, college admissions folks see this shit for exactly what you called it: "heightened college resume fillers."

It's more important to have a couple real interests than to do things just to check off boxes.




Let me rephrase this for OP. OP, what colleges are lookinig for is not a list of "brags" but a list of "brags that show focus". You need to demonstrate that your child has had a long-standing (several years - you have to provide the no of years for each activity on the common app.) interest in a specific area or level of accomplishment with an instrument or language. They do not want to see 10 ECs that have no connection with one-another and were all taken up in the last year of high school. I absolutely hate the word now (just finished the College application mess) but when schools say they want to see "passion" they are saying they want to see a mature person who has excelled at a special interest to the degree that the college admissions officers can envision your student on their campus taking part in certain activities, clubs, orchestra or academics. They want to see great grades, test scores and ECs that all come together to present a student who has unique interests and has excelled in those exploring those interests to the max. they can in high school. I can't mention my DD's "passion" because it's so unique it would out her, but I can relate a story I read about a "B" student who allegedly got into Harvard because he had taken it upon his own to become a trained EMT with the local fire department - and had focused on prep for a pre-med experience in college. That's the sort of "passion" (ugh) they are searching for in those 35,000 applications. Somehow you have to start prepping your child early in a true interest (can't fake it) and take it to the max. so their application pops out at the committee.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school.


Go Knights!




Husband went there. Northfield = "Land of cows, colleges and contentment". He hated it (cold cold cold) but admittedly didn't try to take advantage of what the area offered except for cow tipping.
Anonymous
Good grief this is a ridiculous thread. OP i feel sorry for your kid, that you are so hung up on this NOW!

Come on let your kid be a kid and this experience be about THEM and what THEY want to do, THEIR INTERESTS not some carefully charted calculated grand master plan.

There are no shortcuts or hidden secrets. My SIL was a very well regard and well known admissions head at an Ivy for years..her stories over the years have entertained us. Bottom line they see the parents like you who planned all this out coming from miles away....back off is my best advice.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Moving to Iowa and signing up for football worked wonders for my kid. Had we stayed in DC, he wouldn't have gotten even a glance from his current college.


I want to hear the rest of this story!

Lol... On travel for work but stay tuned and I will share tonite when I'm back at a keyboard!

We moved to Iowa at the end of DC's freshman year. He attended one of the DCUM approved "big" schools. He struggled a bit academically (well, a lot) freshman year so his grades were rather poor. His small private HS in Iowa was much easier, he managed to pull almost straight A's for the last 3 years. He really wasn't a sporty kid but he is a big kid. He decided to play football as a way to make friends. He took to football like a fish to water. For the next 3 years he played both sides of the ball. Apparently, huge kids are hard to find and huge kids that can play both sides of the ball on the line with good grades and a decent ACT score are even harder to find in the world of D3 football. So when college time rolled around, he was pursued by several D3 coaches (yes, I know D3 does not carry academic scholarships, but they do recruit).

DS was clear that he wanted a SLAC, he sorted through various admission with merit aid offers from several top SLACs. He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school. Carleton does not offer merit aid, but they were able to make the total out of pocket cost work. Oddly enough, 4 boys that he hung around with at his DC school were all turned down by Carleton.

Had we stayed in DC, he would be another face in the crowd... a kid with decent grades from a world class HS with EC's, leadership and AP's out the wazoo. But his school was so small the sports were no-cut so after football he wrestled, his friends played baseball so he joined the team. No one wanted to go to HOBY so he told the guidance counselor that he would. He literally got a chance to do EVERYTHING because his school was small, everyone in his class wanted to to to Iowa or Iowa State, and they were practically guaranteed admission, so the other kids didn't really put any effort into EC's, leadership or even prep for the ACT. At the end of the day his profile was a well-rounded kid from a no-name HS in the middle of nowhere, who was good at playing a hard to find position on the football team who also took advantage of every chance he had for advanced coursework, lettered in 3 varsity sports, academic decathlon, volunteered, chaired the tech team, went to HOBY, pulled good grades for 10th, 11th and 12th and an ACT of 30. He interviewed like a boss and had a great essay. It sounds like he was crammed into a hectic schedule but he wasn't. Moving to Iowa and playing football was the deciding factor in him getting into several great colleges that have NEVER taken a kid from his HS.


I'm the "I want to hear the rest of this story!" PP. Congrats to your son on shining so brightly at his new school (an at Carleton, I bet)!

What does he want to do post-grad? Also, why did you decide on Iowa -- was it for family/work or for his college admissions prospects?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Moving to Iowa and signing up for football worked wonders for my kid. Had we stayed in DC, he wouldn't have gotten even a glance from his current college.


I want to hear the rest of this story!

Lol... On travel for work but stay tuned and I will share tonite when I'm back at a keyboard!

We moved to Iowa at the end of DC's freshman year. He attended one of the DCUM approved "big" schools. He struggled a bit academically (well, a lot) freshman year so his grades were rather poor. His small private HS in Iowa was much easier, he managed to pull almost straight A's for the last 3 years. He really wasn't a sporty kid but he is a big kid. He decided to play football as a way to make friends. He took to football like a fish to water. For the next 3 years he played both sides of the ball. Apparently, huge kids are hard to find and huge kids that can play both sides of the ball on the line with good grades and a decent ACT score are even harder to find in the world of D3 football. So when college time rolled around, he was pursued by several D3 coaches (yes, I know D3 does not carry academic scholarships, but they do recruit).

DS was clear that he wanted a SLAC, he sorted through various admission with merit aid offers from several top SLACs. He finally chose Carleton because he loves the twin cities, he could be within a couple of hours from home and it's a great school. Carleton does not offer merit aid, but they were able to make the total out of pocket cost work. Oddly enough, 4 boys that he hung around with at his DC school were all turned down by Carleton.

Had we stayed in DC, he would be another face in the crowd... a kid with decent grades from a world class HS with EC's, leadership and AP's out the wazoo. But his school was so small the sports were no-cut so after football he wrestled, his friends played baseball so he joined the team. No one wanted to go to HOBY so he told the guidance counselor that he would. He literally got a chance to do EVERYTHING because his school was small, everyone in his class wanted to to to Iowa or Iowa State, and they were practically guaranteed admission, so the other kids didn't really put any effort into EC's, leadership or even prep for the ACT. At the end of the day his profile was a well-rounded kid from a no-name HS in the middle of nowhere, who was good at playing a hard to find position on the football team who also took advantage of every chance he had for advanced coursework, lettered in 3 varsity sports, academic decathlon, volunteered, chaired the tech team, went to HOBY, pulled good grades for 10th, 11th and 12th and an ACT of 30. He interviewed like a boss and had a great essay. It sounds like he was crammed into a hectic schedule but he wasn't. Moving to Iowa and playing football was the deciding factor in him getting into several great colleges that have NEVER taken a kid from his HS.


I'm the "I want to hear the rest of this story!" PP. Congrats to your son on shining so brightly at his new school (an at Carleton, I bet)!

It was for work but I will soon be transferred to Cincinnati and I'm actually a bit sad that my daughter won't have the same advantage.
What does he want to do post-grad? Also, why did you decide on Iowa -- was it for family/work or for his college admissions prospects?
Anonymous
I have a preteen who spends 99% of his time training for his unpopular sport (in which he is nationally ranked) and a high schooler who spends every summer at every medical and hospital program he can find because he wants to be a doctor.

How do colleges view kids that are passionate and dedicated, but only to one thing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have a preteen who spends 99% of his time training for his unpopular sport (in which he is nationally ranked) and a high schooler who spends every summer at every medical and hospital program he can find because he wants to be a doctor.

How do colleges view kids that are passionate and dedicated, but only to one thing?


They love it.
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