K student Out of Control

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can the child's parents be held liable? That also night speed up getting them to consent not having the kid in a mainstream classroom.

Apparently, you're not acquainted with our legal system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the child's parents be held liable? That also night speed up getting them to consent not having the kid in a mainstream classroom.

Potential liability can be extended in good faith as far as it can reasonably go consistent with precedent and ethical rules. People tend to lee sight of this, though: assault is assault is assault. If my kid is physically harmed or threatened within the definition, by anyone, law enforcement will be contacted and civil remedies pursued. Basically, like the attorney on the Sopranos once said, prepare to be torted into the poorhouse.

You're such an ass:

http://wgntv.com/2015/05/04/police-handcuff-shackle-combative-5-year-old-special-needs-student/
http://abc13.com/news/boy-with-special-needs-arrested-in-handcuffs-at-school/989582/
http://www.educationnews.org/parenting/6yr-old-special-needs-student-bruised-handcuffed-in-georgia/
http://www.choiceremarks.com/2015/08/special-needs-children-being-handcuffed.html
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/stone-mountain/2014/12/05/six-year-old-handcuffed-at-school/19986633/

Wake up. Schools are failing all kids, not just those with special needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the child's parents be held liable? That also night speed up getting them to consent not having the kid in a mainstream classroom.

Apparently, you're not acquainted with our legal system.

Typically the threat of legal action is what gets the desired and more expedient result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope this isn't Arlington.

Not the OP, but I have a similar situation in my DC's k class. I am new to Arlington. Tell me why you hope it isn't arlington. I am truly clueless and maybe your answer will help me figure out why my efforts to protect DC have fallen on deaf ears.

I hope it's not Arlington because my kid might be starting school there next year if we can't move out in time (for many reasons). I am finding the whole school options thing to be such a headache and I don't need to add to my headache. That's all.

There's a program in Arlington for these kinds of kids. It's called the Interlude program. It moved from Oakridge to Campbell this year.

[Anonymous]

I am familiar with a similar situation from the family's perspective.

A close friend of mine had a child in FCPS who had also been in special ed preschool through the county. They had meetings that spring and summer before K with the parents requesting a small classroom, a different school, options other than being in the mainstream K class. My friend had taken her dc for a very expensive evaluation (several thousands of dollars, all out of pocket) and the psychologist said the child couldn't handle being placed in a large class. The school insisted they had to try the "least restrictive" classroom first--a mainstream K class that ended up with 28 students with time in the "resource room" when the child got overwhelmed.

Well, guess what? The whole first half of the year was a clusterfuck. The child was completely overwhelmed and had many, many meltdowns. The school suspended the child several times (this kind of blows my mind still--when they insisted the child be mainstreamed in the first place?). The child (who was 5) also ran away from school and they lost sight of him and had to call the police to find him in the neighborhood. He was found over a mile away. My friend eventually hired a special ed liaison (not sure if this is the right term) who charged hundreds of dollars per hour to review their situation and attend meetings with them, etc.

The child ended up placed eventually at another FCPS school in a very small special ed only class. This was a few years ago, and he is doing really well and spends a lot of the day "mainstreamed" with the general ed class.

The real bummer is the kid is a neighborhood pariah because all the kids and families he started K with want nothing to do with him. He somehow can never be placed on the neighborhood teams for rec sports through the local leagues the family has to drive really far for practices. The swim team in their development wouldn't let him join because they had heard he had issues.

If the school had not tried to do the cheapest option first, the kid could have started in the small (expensive to educate) class and gained skills, and eventually attended the neighborhood school and made friends through activities, etc.

They are putting their house up for sale this spring because my friend feels like this boy's younger brother is also now getting excluded from playdates, parties, activities because of his older brother. There was "no room" for little brother on the neighborhood soccer team this fall, etc. They want to start over in a new neighborhood where they won't feel shunned.

[Anonymous]

PP. I wish your friends luck.

OP. Be patient. For all you know, and you don't know everything, the school, parents and teachers are working toward a solution. This takes time. My son had a disturbed boy in his grade at kinder. By Christmas the boy had been moved to a more restrictive environment (where I hope he succeeded). It does take time.

Try to have compassion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the child's parents be held liable? That also night speed up getting them to consent not having the kid in a mainstream classroom.

Apparently, you're not acquainted with our legal system.

When schools want parents to move a child, they often start suspending him or calling parents to come pick him up every time there is a problem. Since people can't lose their jobs, eventually they agree. I have heard this happens at DC charters a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am familiar with a similar situation from the family's perspective.

A close friend of mine had a child in FCPS who had also been in special ed preschool through the county. They had meetings that spring and summer before K with the parents requesting a small classroom, a different school, options other than being in the mainstream K class. My friend had taken her dc for a very expensive evaluation (several thousands of dollars, all out of pocket) and the psychologist said the child couldn't handle being placed in a large class. The school insisted they had to try the "least restrictive" classroom first--a mainstream K class that ended up with 28 students with time in the "resource room" when the child got overwhelmed.

Well, guess what? The whole first half of the year was a clusterfuck. The child was completely overwhelmed and had many, many meltdowns. The school suspended the child several times (this kind of blows my mind still--when they insisted the child be mainstreamed in the first place?). The child (who was 5) also ran away from school and they lost sight of him and had to call the police to find him in the neighborhood. He was found over a mile away. My friend eventually hired a special ed liaison (not sure if this is the right term) who charged hundreds of dollars per hour to review their situation and attend meetings with them, etc.

The child ended up placed eventually at another FCPS school in a very small special ed only class. This was a few years ago, and he is doing really well and spends a lot of the day "mainstreamed" with the general ed class.

The real bummer is the kid is a neighborhood pariah because all the kids and families he started K with want nothing to do with him. He somehow can never be placed on the neighborhood teams for rec sports through the local leagues the family has to drive really far for practices. The swim team in their development wouldn't let him join because they had heard he had issues.

If the school had not tried to do the cheapest option first, the kid could have started in the small (expensive to educate) class and gained skills, and eventually attended the neighborhood school and made friends through activities, etc.

They are putting their house up for sale this spring because my friend feels like this boy's younger brother is also now getting excluded from playdates, parties, activities because of his older brother. There was "no room" for little brother on the neighborhood soccer team this fall, etc. They want to start over in a new neighborhood where they won't feel shunned.

What a nightmare. This is what happens though when schools are overcrowded and the funding starts to get thin. It shouldn't be the situation in the our area, but it's the current reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am familiar with a similar situation from the family's perspective.

A close friend of mine had a child in FCPS who had also been in special ed preschool through the county. They had meetings that spring and summer before K with the parents requesting a small classroom, a different school, options other than being in the mainstream K class. My friend had taken her dc for a very expensive evaluation (several thousands of dollars, all out of pocket) and the psychologist said the child couldn't handle being placed in a large class. The school insisted they had to try the "least restrictive" classroom first--a mainstream K class that ended up with 28 students with time in the "resource room" when the child got overwhelmed.

Well, guess what? The whole first half of the year was a clusterfuck. The child was completely overwhelmed and had many, many meltdowns. The school suspended the child several times (this kind of blows my mind still--when they insisted the child be mainstreamed in the first place?). The child (who was 5) also ran away from school and they lost sight of him and had to call the police to find him in the neighborhood. He was found over a mile away. My friend eventually hired a special ed liaison (not sure if this is the right term) who charged hundreds of dollars per hour to review their situation and attend meetings with them, etc.

The child ended up placed eventually at another FCPS school in a very small special ed only class. This was a few years ago, and he is doing really well and spends a lot of the day "mainstreamed" with the general ed class.

The real bummer is the kid is a neighborhood pariah because all the kids and families he started K with want nothing to do with him. He somehow can never be placed on the neighborhood teams for rec sports through the local leagues the family has to drive really far for practices. The swim team in their development wouldn't let him join because they had heard he had issues.

If the school had not tried to do the cheapest option first, the kid could have started in the small (expensive to educate) class and gained skills, and eventually attended the neighborhood school and made friends through activities, etc.

They are putting their house up for sale this spring because my friend feels like this boy's younger brother is also now getting excluded from playdates, parties, activities because of his older brother. There was "no room" for little brother on the neighborhood soccer team this fall, etc. They want to start over in a new neighborhood where they won't feel shunned.

Wow how awful! Moving sounds like the best solution, but also important to point out that deliberately excluding a kid from a team on the basis of a disability or perceived disability is illegal.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how much more expensive it is to put a kid in a small special ed type classroom. That seems like a lot of misery to put everyone through just to try and save some money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can the child's parents be held liable? That also night speed up getting them to consent not having the kid in a mainstream classroom.

Potential liability can be extended in good faith as far as it can reasonably go consistent with precedent and ethical rules. People tend to lee sight of this, though: assault is assault is assault. If my kid is physically harmed or threatened within the definition, by anyone, law enforcement will be contacted and civil remedies pursued. Basically, like the attorney on the Sopranos once said, prepare to be torted into the poorhouse.

You're such an ass:

http://wgntv.com/2015/05/04/police-handcuff-shackle-combative-5-year-old-special-needs-student/
http://abc13.com/news/boy-with-special-needs-arrested-in-handcuffs-at-school/989582/
http://www.educationnews.org/parenting/6yr-old-special-needs-student-bruised-handcuffed-in-georgia/
http://www.choiceremarks.com/2015/08/special-needs-children-being-handcuffed.html
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/stone-mountain/2014/12/05/six-year-old-handcuffed-at-school/19986633/

Wake up. Schools are failing all kids, not just those with special needs.

You are tilting at windmills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much more expensive it is to put a kid in a small special ed type classroom. That seems like a lot of misery to put everyone through just to try and save some money.

It's not just the money, though. There are steps in a process that must legally be followed, and unfortunately, elementary school is when that process first gets established for each child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since the start of school this child has been out of control to the point the other students in the class don't feel safe (frequently hits, pushes kids, draws blood, leaves marks, attackes with scissors and other objects, throws chairs, hits teacher, etc). The school's solution is to put another adult in the room to help protect the kids. At what point does the safety of the other 22 kids take priority over this child? As parents how can we assure are kids aren't afraid of going to school and getting hurt? How do we get the school to address this problem before a child is seriously hurt? It breaks my heart to see my 5 yr so terrified to go to school because the school is allowing this child to stay in the classroom.

Complain to the principal and superintendent daily. The child needs to be high priority for SPED. Either in a self-contained classroom or on medication to control the impulse behavior. No child, parent, or teacher should be held hostage by a 5 year old. Speak up and speak loudly.

[Anonymous]

OP, at the school where I work, what gets attention most is frequent communication to the principal about the situation at hand from as many members of the parent community as possible. This does not necessarily mean threats of legal action; quite frankly, that doesn't do much to concern the admin team but rather puts them on the defensive when working with the family. Instead, hearing from many people -- in respectful, "we're all wanting the best for all of the children involved" kinds of ways -- sends a stronger message and is more likely to get the result that you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pay for private, OP. Everyone is legally entitled to free access to education, no matter how much you don't like them.

No parent bashing. The parent has legitimate concerns about their child's safety in the classroom. First talk with teacher about concerns. Then talk with principal about concerns. Start there and see, what their response is. If you are still not satisfied, take it up the chain of command to head of schools, super, etc. Children should feel safe in classroom.

I'm not "parent bashing;" otherwise I'd have made fun of her precious "snowflake."

FAPE is the law: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/edlite-FAPE504.html

Children should feel safe in the classroom, but it's not a legal requirement. Allowing a kid access to an education is.

I would put in an email asking for my child to be moved because of concern for her physical safety and copy the person above the principal. When things get put in writing, they will figure out a solution to avoid potential liability for inaction in the event something happens and there's a lawsuit.