HB Woodlawn (Arlington) college list

[Anonymous]

OP here. Boy, I sure got you all riled up and working pretty hard, eh? Your data still doesn't prove that the Jersey schools are better. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Here's an interesting article on New Jersey's "brain drain," pointing out that the state is the largest exporter of college students in the nation. I particularly like the reference to the student who applied to "William and Mary, Harvard, Duke, Columbia, University of Virginia, and Cornell."

Pretty much sums up what Joisey students think of our colleges.

http://www.southjerseymagazine.com/articles/?articleid=293

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NJ poster. Here are profile of high schools near mine. I feel weird posting my school.
http://www.mlschools.org/cms/lib5/NJ01001801/Centricity/Domain/8/MLHSProfile2014-2015%20rev1.pdf

http://www.northernhighlands.org/cms/lib5/NJ01000179/Centricity/Domain/7/CLASS%20OF%202015%20PROFILE%20alternate.pdf

Again, I'd be happy if my kids had the opportunity to attend HBW, but the placement results really aren't that impressive. Not the end of the world though because there are many great colleges out there.

OP here. Here's the thing. The reported SAT scores for both of the NJ schools on the list that you just posted are lower than HBW's. Also, the list of college acceptances is misleading because it shows where students were ACCEPTED, not where they actually ENROLLED. The 2 students from HBW attending Yale were presumably accepted at other highly ranked schools as well, but HBW isn't reporting them because the student isn't attending those schools. When your list says Brown accepted 2 and Harvard accepted 1, it's highly likely that we are only talking about two students at the most, not three -- one accepted to Brown and one accepted to both Brown and Harvard. And in all likelihood the other student accepted by Brown was accepted at Cornell, etc. This is a common trick by high schools to make their lists look better.

The list I gave you for HB is where students actually enrolled, not where they were accepted. One school per student.

As for the poster who wonders why I compared HBW to Langley/McLean, I did it not out of insecurity but because those schools are generally regarded as the best neighborhood high schools in NOVA. Thus, they're the obvious baseline.

Are you seriously comparing schools in Morris and Bergen counties to HBW? A quick check shows that Mountain Lakes has 6 students on free and reduced lunch (out of a school size comparable to HBW), and Northern Highlands, with twice the enrollment, has a total of EIGHT students on free lunch. However, almost one out of five students at HBW is on free and reduced lunch, and they put up better SAT and AP stats.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NJ poster. Here are profile of high schools near mine. I feel weird posting my school.
http://www.mlschools.org/cms/lib5/NJ01001801/Centricity/Domain/8/MLHSProfile2014-2015%20rev1.pdf

http://www.northernhighlands.org/cms/lib5/NJ01000179/Centricity/Domain/7/CLASS%20OF%202015%20PROFILE%20alternate.pdf

Again, I'd be happy if my kids had the opportunity to attend HBW, but the placement results really aren't that impressive. Not the end of the world though because there are many great colleges out there.

OP here. Here's the thing. The reported SAT scores for both of the NJ schools on the list that you just posted are lower than HBW's. Also, the list of college acceptances is misleading because it shows where students were ACCEPTED, not where they actually ENROLLED. The 2 students from HBW attending Yale were presumably accepted at other highly ranked schools as well, but HBW isn't reporting them because the student isn't attending those schools. When your list says Brown accepted 2 and Harvard accepted 1, it's highly likely that we are only talking about two students at the most, not three -- one accepted to Brown and one accepted to both Brown and Harvard. And in all likelihood the other student accepted by Brown was accepted at Cornell, etc. This is a common trick by high schools to make their lists look better.

The list I gave you for HB is where students actually enrolled, not where they were accepted. One school per student.

As for the poster who wonders why I compared HBW to Langley/McLean, I did it not out of insecurity but because those schools are generally regarded as the best neighborhood high schools in NOVA. Thus, they're the obvious baseline.

Are you seriously comparing schools in Morris and Bergen counties to HBW? A quick check shows that Mountain Lakes has 6 students on free and reduced lunch (out of a school size comparable to HBW), and Northern Highlands, with twice the enrollment, has a total of EIGHT students on free lunch. However, almost one out of five students at HBW is on free and reduced lunch, and they put up better SAT and AP stats.

Actually Mountain Lakes is twice the size of HB Woodlawn so your point is even more strong. The school is clearly one of the wealthiest in NJ if not the country sand has zero economic diversity. Our friend from New Jersey is mixing apples and oranges. Still, having said that, s/he still offers to real evidence that Mountain Lakes out-performs HBW on college matriculation . . .

[Anonymous]

Where did you get the matriculation data for HBW?

I don't have counts for Mountain Lakes, but I did find them for three other schools. See links above. All had at least as good or better a rate as HBW. Yes, NJ is a wealthy state - why does FARMs rate matter here? We were talking college info, not general merits of HBW. No one is claiming it's a bad school.

So clearly no matter what I post you're not going to open your eyes, but compared to some regular public HSs elsewhere in the country the college list really truly isn't THAT impressive. For a "top" HS in the area. Langley, Yorktown, W-L are even worse. Shockingly bad, in fact.

Also, the VA state school cult here is nutso. Why are you so fixated on them? Hope my kids have no interest in VA schools. Don't want them to end up close-minded and unaware of the whole big world out there.

Here is a fun activity - ask your NJ/NY friends how many people from their HS went to Ivy League & VA schools. Oh wait - you only have VA friends because you grew up here, went to school here, and never left. Same thing will happen with your kids. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did you get the matriculation data for HBW?

I don't have counts for Mountain Lakes, but I did find them for three other schools. See links above. All had at least as good or better a rate as HBW. Yes, NJ is a wealthy state - why does FARMs rate matter here? We were talking college info, not general merits of HBW. No one is claiming it's a bad school.

So clearly no matter what I post you're not going to open your eyes, but compared to some regular public HSs elsewhere in the country the college list really truly isn't THAT impressive. For a "top" HS in the area. Langley, Yorktown, W-L are even worse. Shockingly bad, in fact.

Also, the VA state school cult here is nutso. Why are you so fixated on them? Hope my kids have no interest in VA schools. Don't want them to end up close-minded and unaware of the whole big world out there.

Here is a fun activity - ask your NJ/NY friends how many people from their HS went to Ivy League & VA schools. Oh wait - you only have VA friends because you grew up here, went to school here, and never left. Same thing will happen with your kids. Sad.

I'm confused. Where are you from? NJ? And you're the one person here who moved to VA from out of state, but everyone else posting grew up here, went to school here, and never left?

Seriously, with every post you look dumber and dumber. You're practically The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Talked To At A Party.

[Anonymous]

And this is why everyone hates DC. Small town mentality with bad traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where did you get the matriculation data for HBW?

I don't have counts for Mountain Lakes, but I did find them for three other schools. See links above. All had at least as good or better a rate as HBW. Yes, NJ is a wealthy state - why does FARMs rate matter here? We were talking college info, not general merits of HBW. No one is claiming it's a bad school.

So clearly no matter what I post you're not going to open your eyes, but compared to some regular public HSs elsewhere in the country the college list really truly isn't THAT impressive. For a "top" HS in the area. Langley, Yorktown, W-L are even worse. Shockingly bad, in fact.

Also, the VA state school cult here is nutso. Why are you so fixated on them? Hope my kids have no interest in VA schools. Don't want them to end up close-minded and unaware of the whole big world out there.

Here is a fun activity - ask your NJ/NY friends how many people from their HS went to Ivy League & VA schools. Oh wait - you only have VA friends because you grew up here, went to school here, and never left. Same thing will happen with your kids. Sad.

I'm confused. Where are you from? NJ? And you're the one person here who moved to VA from out of state, but everyone else posting grew up here, went to school here, and never left?

Seriously, with every post you look dumber and dumber. You're practically The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Talked To At A Party.

0P here. Laughing at this, because ironically I, to am from New Jersey and did not grow up here! Talk about false assumptions…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where did you get the matriculation data for HBW?

I don't have counts for Mountain Lakes, but I did find them for three other schools. See links above. All had at least as good or better a rate as HBW. Yes, NJ is a wealthy state - why does FARMs rate matter here? We were talking college info, not general merits of HBW. No one is claiming it's a bad school.

So clearly no matter what I post you're not going to open your eyes, but compared to some regular public HSs elsewhere in the country the college list really truly isn't THAT impressive. For a "top" HS in the area. Langley, Yorktown, W-L are even worse. Shockingly bad, in fact.

Also, the VA state school cult here is nutso. Why are you so fixated on them? Hope my kids have no interest in VA schools. Don't want them to end up close-minded and unaware of the whole big world out there.

Here is a fun activity - ask your NJ/NY friends how many people from their HS went to Ivy League & VA schools. Oh wait - you only have VA friends because you grew up here, went to school here, and never left. Same thing will happen with your kids. Sad.

I'm confused. Where are you from? NJ? And you're the one person here who moved to VA from out of state, but everyone else posting grew up here, went to school here, and never left?

Seriously, with every post you look dumber and dumber. You're practically The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Talked To At A Party.

0P here. Laughing at this, because ironically I, to am from New Jersey and did not grow up here! Talk about false assumptions…

Haha. Too funny. So how many people from your high school went to an Ivy? Did you go to a Virginia college? Sounds like many Joisey kids did.

[Anonymous]

No, I didn't go to an Ivy, and nobody I knew did. I don't recall anyone from my school being admitted to one the whole time I was there, in fact. I also didn't go to school in Virginia; I moved here as an adult.

What the Joisey booster is doing is identifying the most elite public schools in the most expensive NYC suburbs, schools that make Langley look diverse, and citing them as typical. They're not. They are schools with average family incomes of 200k, average property taxes of 20k, and no poor kids whatsoever. Joisey also has no state schools remotely of the quality of UVA or William and Mary, so their kids are applying to Cornell and other lesser Ivies (along with UVA, which has Ivy-like admissions standards in NJ) in much larger numbers than Virginia kids. It's not just that kids here are turning down Cornell, etc., for UVA -- they're not even applying because they know if they got in they'd also get into UVA and would choose UVA.

A better comparison might be between Virginia and California, or Virginia and Michigan . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I didn't go to an Ivy, and nobody I knew did. I don't recall anyone from my school being admitted to one the whole time I was there, in fact.

Wow - I'm surprised about this. Not even one? How far from NYC was this? Or should I say "what exit?"

Virginia schools are a great deal for sure! I understand why so many students stay in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I didn't go to an Ivy, and nobody I knew did. I don't recall anyone from my school being admitted to one the whole time I was there, in fact. I also didn't go to school in Virginia; I moved here as an adult.

What the Joisey booster is doing is identifying the most elite public schools in the most expensive NYC suburbs, schools that make Langley look diverse, and citing them as typical. They're not. They are schools with average family incomes of 200k, average property taxes of 20k, and no poor kids whatsoever. Joisey also has no state schools remotely of the quality of UVA or William and Mary, so their kids are applying to Cornell and other lesser Ivies (along with UVA, which has Ivy-like admissions standards in NJ) in much larger numbers than Virginia kids. It's not just that kids here are turning down Cornell, etc., for UVA -- they're not even applying because they know if they got in they'd also get into UVA and would choose UVA.

A better comparison might be between Virginia and California, or Virginia and Michigan . . .

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I didn't go to an Ivy, and nobody I knew did. I don't recall anyone from my school being admitted to one the whole time I was there, in fact. I also didn't go to school in Virginia; I moved here as an adult.

What the Joisey booster is doing is identifying the most elite public schools in the most expensive NYC suburbs, schools that make Langley look diverse, and citing them as typical. They're not. They are schools with average family incomes of 200k, average property taxes of 20k, and no poor kids whatsoever. Joisey also has no state schools remotely of the quality of UVA or William and Mary, so their kids are applying to Cornell and other lesser Ivies (along with UVA, which has Ivy-like admissions standards in NJ) in much larger numbers than Virginia kids. It's not just that kids here are turning down Cornell, etc., for UVA -- they're not even applying because they know if they got in they'd also get into UVA and would choose UVA.

A better comparison might be between Virginia and California, or Virginia and Michigan . . .

My HS was not super affluent - 11% FARMs - and yet still seems to send a good chunk to Ivy League schools. Education was a priority in the community. And sports - our school did surprisingly well in sports given our size. So maybe there were more athletic hooks? We had a handful of the very bright kids go to Rutgers, but most did go out of state.

Anyway, that is my baseline. So from my perspective the list doesn't seem all that impressive for a "top" HS in this area. I never said NJ schools were better or anything like that - in fact some of the SAT scores were lower - I pointed that out. Just that comparing the matriculation trends seemed odd. Surprising.

It would be interesting to compare to California or maybe Michigan.

-NJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, I didn't go to an Ivy, and nobody I knew did. I don't recall anyone from my school being admitted to one the whole time I was there, in fact. I also didn't go to school in Virginia; I moved here as an adult.

What the Joisey booster is doing is identifying the most elite public schools in the most expensive NYC suburbs, schools that make Langley look diverse, and citing them as typical. They're not. They are schools with average family incomes of 200k, average property taxes of 20k, and no poor kids whatsoever. Joisey also has no state schools remotely of the quality of UVA or William and Mary, so their kids are applying to Cornell and other lesser Ivies (along with UVA, which has Ivy-like admissions standards in NJ) in much larger numbers than Virginia kids. It's not just that kids here are turning down Cornell, etc., for UVA -- they're not even applying because they know if they got in they'd also get into UVA and would choose UVA.

A better comparison might be between Virginia and California, or Virginia and Michigan . . .

My HS was not super affluent - 11% FARMs - and yet still seems to send a good chunk to Ivy League schools. Education was a priority in the community. And sports - our school did surprisingly well in sports given our size. So maybe there were more athletic hooks? We had a handful of the very bright kids go to Rutgers, but most did go out of state.

Anyway, that is my baseline. So from my perspective the list doesn't seem all that impressive for a "top" HS in this area. I never said NJ schools were better or anything like that - in fact some of the SAT scores were lower - I pointed that out. Just that comparing the matriculation trends seemed odd. Surprising.

It would be interesting to compare to California or maybe Michigan.

-NJ

Back it up, or shut up.

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